Lady Lee- who are you, and what's YOUR story?

by theMadJW 422 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • truthseekeriam
    truthseekeriam

    Mad JW,

    Your right her having to sit there and face her abuser and a jerk of a defense attorney was hellfire..but the result was seeing her molester handcuffed and lead away Knowing she helped in making sure he wasn't going to harm another child.

    What she went through with the elders was also hellfire..but the results were waiting and waiting almost 4 years before he was even d'fd and for what? I'm not sure we heard it through the grapevine and verified it recently.

    Imagine being a parent and telling your child if you just tell the elders the truth you will help make sure he never hurts any of you friends in the KH and nothing happening. Imagine running to the phone knowing this is the day they are going to tell you he was being disfellowshipped and it never coming.

    We went through a trial and we all know how long of a process that is and still heard nothing. I mean it's not like he hadn't molested other children, he was on reproof for admitting to molesting 2 others when my child spoke up..that's 3 witnesses alone.

    Look, I know your an honest person. You feel what you feel. Only question is... could you be wrong?

  • theMadJW
    theMadJW

    LOLOLOLOLOLO!

    WANNA- all of this is beyond me; as I've said I've only heard of 2 cases; one- the teenage kids didn't WANT to take action after leaving the home; they wouldn't bring it to the elders, nor call the police. the second- the teen molester was DFed, arrested and was sent to prison.

    As far as policies- who can honestly say which one fits all? IS there such a policy- for as I PERSONALLY saw, te Falsely Accused is in EQUAL danger!

    To sit back and think you know the answers is Idiocy; I think the WTBS is doing the best their feeble minds can!

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    all of this is beyond me

    Yep, we can see that.

    IS there such a policy- for as I PERSONALLY saw, te Falsely Accused is in EQUAL danger!

    That's not a valid stalemate. As someone has already said, it's better to let the authorities come in and determine whether the accusation is valid vs possibly letting a pedophile get away with harming a child.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW
    My opinion; the one molested should- and if it's a kid claiming someone in their household did,
    give them shelter., protections and YES call the police.
    If it's an adult, the circumstances would determine what to do. Police would be the LAST resort,
    until certain it REALLY happend; emotions going wild rarely helps ANYTHING- just makes worse......MadJW

    The WBT$ Policy is to go to a Pay phone..Call the Police and give no details..

    "Hello Police?..I`d like to report a Pedophile Crime..I can`t give you any names or tell you where they are..Good-Bye!"..

    If an Adult has been Sexually assaulted that is not a Pedophile Crime..And..You Know it!!..

    Your taking the attention away from where it should be..

    The Protection of Children!!..

    but would NOT want all to know my kid was molested; isn't that something they would be ashamed of, or embarrased of?..MadJW

    Another Pathetic Strawman from MadJW..

    No one has suggested putting an Ad in the newspaper or advertising it on Radio and TV..

    We are saying CALL the AUTHORITIES!!..Give Names..Address`s..Ect..Ect..

    There is no reason for a Molested Child to be ashamed or embarrased..

    The only one who would want that,would be a Child Molester!!..It Shuts the kid up!..

    The Question still Remains..

    MadJW..

    "Do you Agree with the WBT$ Pedophile Policy?"..

    ...................... ...OUTLAW

  • brotherdan
    brotherdan

    truthseekeriam - I don't think MadJW is honest about anything. His desire to protect the molester by supporting the WTS makes him seem fishy to me. If I was a molester I would think that the WT policy was the best thing since beer. As long as there are not 2 witnesses, it gives you free range to all the children in the hall. What could be better for a molester?

    You have to remember, though, that this organization is demonic. It is not an organization directed by God. At the MOST it's just directed by humans.

    MadJW, like I've said before, I like talking to you. You make it clearer and clearer that I never want to have anything to do with this organization ever again. There are so many people like you within it. Yes, there are some wonderful people inside too that are bothered by these types of policies as well. I can only pray that they hear Gods voice and come out of Babylon, the disgusting whore. (aka apostate Christianity like Jehovah's Witnesses)

  • brotherdan
    brotherdan

    I've got a question that I can't answer myself because my math skills are pretty bad... :-(

    So there are over 100,000 congregations in the world of Jehovah's Witnesses. MadJW has been to 12 of them and known about 2 molesters. If there WAS only 2 molesters in every 12 congregations, how many molesters would that be? Not knowing if my math is right, I came up with over 8333 molesters in the organization. That's about the same amount of memorial partakers... Food for thought.

    Here's a better one. There are 7 million JWs. If every JW knows about 2 molesters, it would mean that there are...a hell of alot of molesters.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    I came up with over 8333 molesters in the organization.....BD

    I saw an interview with WBT$ representative JR Brown..

    If I remember correctly..

    The WBT$ Pedophile Data base has over 20,000 known offenders..

    Those are just the ones the WBT$ knows about..

    MadJW..

    "Do you Agree with the WBT$ Pedophile Policy?"..

    ...................... ...OUTLAW

  • brotherdan
    brotherdan

    Could someone break that down into a percentage? 20,000 in 7 million?

  • wannabefree
    wannabefree

    Using the provided data ( 2 per 12 congregations) I arrive at 16,666.666 pedophiles. 1 in every 6 congregations (100,000/6)

    or .238% (16,666.666/7,000,000=0.00238)

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Here you go Mad Directly from the Watchtower webpage http://www.watchtower.org/e/19951101a/article_01.htm

    What if the sufferer decides that he wants to make an accusation?# Then the two elders can advise him that, in line with the principle at Matthew 18:15, he should personally approach the accused about the matter. If the accuser is not emotionally able to do this face-to-face, it can be done by telephone or perhaps by writing a letter. In this way the one accused is given the opportunity to go on record before Jehovah with his answer to the accusation. He may even be able to present evidence that he could not have committed the abuse. Or perhaps the one accused will confess, and a reconciliation may be achieved. What a blessing that would be! If there is a confession, the two elders can handle matters further in accordance with Scriptural principles.

    If the accusation is denied, the elders should explain to the accuser that nothing more can be done in a judicial way. And the congregation will continue to view the one accused as an innocent person. The Bible says that there must be two or three witnesses before judicial action can be taken. (2 Corinthians 13:1; 1 Timothy 5:19) Even if more than one person "remembers" abuse by the same individual, the nature of these recalls is just too uncertain to base judicial decisions on them without other supporting evidence. This does not mean that such "memories" are viewed as false (or that they are viewed as true). But Bible principles must be followed in establishing a matter judicially.

    What if the one accused—though denying the wrongdoing—is really guilty? Does he "get away with it," as it were? Certainly not! The question of his guilt or innocence can be safely left in Jehovah's hands. "The sins of some men are publicly manifest, leading directly to judgment, but as for other men their sins also become manifest later." (1 Timothy 5:24; Romans 12:19; 14:12) The book of Proverbs says: "The expectation of the righteous ones is a rejoicing, but the very hope of the wicked ones will perish." "When a wicked man dies, his hope perishes." (Proverbs 10:28; 11:7) Ultimately, Jehovah God and Christ Jesus render everlasting judgment in justice.—1 Corinthians 4:5.

    Then we have what the elder's manual says:

    page 139

    Certain disputes between brothers should not be taken to secular courts but should be resolved in harmony with Jesus' counsel at Matthew 18:15-17 . (Unit 5 (b) p . 108)

    At 1 Corinthians 6 :1-8, the apostle Paul gave strong counsel that Christians should not take other Christians before secular courts to settle personal disputes that should be settled with the help of the congregation elders . (g83

    2/8 pp. 13-15 ; w77 3/1 p . 147 ; w73 11/15 pp . 703-4)

    For some disputes, a neutral brother, or elders, may act as arbitrator .

    If an individual ignores God's Word on this matter, it may affect his congregation privileges .

    page 110:

    Handling Judicial Cases

    Do not send an individual any kind of correspondence that directly accuses him of specific wrongdoing.

    It is best for two elders to speak with the individual and invite him to meet with the judicial committee.

    Suitable arrangements should be made as to the time and place of the hearing. State what the person's course of action is supposed to

    have been.

    If it is necessary to send a written invitation, you should simply state what the individual's course is

    alleged to have

    page 111:

    make a decision until evidence and any testimony by witnesses are considered.

    The committee should not take action against a person unless the evidence clearly proves this necessary.

    Failure to appear before the committee is not in itself proof of guilt.

    What kind of evidence is acceptable?

    There must be two or three eyewitnesses, not just persons repeating what they have heard ; no action can be taken if there is only one witness . (Deut.

    19 :15 ; John 8 :17)

    Confession (admission of wrongdoing), either written or oral, may be accepted as conclusive proof without other corroborating evidence. (Josh.

    7 :19)

    Strong

    circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual) under improper circumstances, is acceptable.

    The testimony of youths may be considered; it is up to the elders to determine if the testimony has the ring of truth.

    The testimony of unbelievers may also be considered, but it must be carefully weighed.

    If there are two or three witnesses to the same kind of wrongdoing but each one is witness to a separate incident, their testimony can be considered.

    Such evidence may be used to establish guilt, but it is preferable to have two witnesses to the same occurrence of wrongdoing .

    Note that it doesn't say what circumstanial evidence might be required re sexual abuse cases bu tit is preferable to have 2 witnesses to the same occurence of wrongdoing

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