Yes, I need a nap.
Me too.
What if God's existence was PROVEN TO BE TRUE?
by nicolaou 100 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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THE GLADIATOR
It is not about our perceptions of who or what god is.
We cannot answer the question to your specification until we know your perception of who or what God is.
Only then can we discuss how proof of God's existence would affect us. This is a complicated subject.
Once you have had your nap you might care to share.
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Deputy Dog
Nic
Definitive proof is irrelevant to die hard religionists, the factof evolution is proof of that.
Is that one of the things you know with "certainty"?
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notverylikely
Yes, there is much in common between biblical stories and ideologies, things liek the great flood and such have commonalities, and yes, it seems that many things pre-date the written word of the bible, which onle means that they predate the WRITTEN word and not much else.
Without the written word there is no bible. Prior art and all that.
It's fine that someone choose not to accept the bible in any way, but one hopes that the critical eye used to dismiss the bible is also used for other things as well.
And to examine the bible and history.
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nicolaou
Gladiator: My "perception of who or what God is" is irrelevant to the question. I don't think god does exist so if he showed up in any form that would be a big deal for me.
Whether god turned out to be a 3 headed hydra, the stereotype old man with gray beard or some nebulous spirit creature makes no difference, the point is that he has finally showed up (or conclusive proof of him has).
How would that affect human society?
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whereami
Ziddina, you need to stop it already!!!!
Please stop talking sense and leave. Your logic is ruining this thread.
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PSacramento
Nooooo, the ages of the various religions and holy books mentioned aren't "a person's opinion"... They're based on archaeological EVIDENCE - and yes, I'm aware that certain archaeological digs appear to have 'confirmed' various items in the bible...
Ok.
Usually what is confirmed, however, are location names, times inhabited, customs followed, and so on... It is highly significant that "Jesus" is NEVER mentioned in the Roman writings of the time in which he supposedly 'existed'... "He" is mentioned a generation or so AFTERWARDS, but in the context of the new religion based on 'his' life and death...
Why would he be mentioned? did they mention every rebel they killed ?
The Romans were real sticklers for recording things - ancient 'bean-counters', in a way... Roman writings of the same basic period DO mention several OTHER so-called "Messiahs", which makes the omission of "Jesus" even more strange...
Roman writers wrote what was of interest to them and in their way, how many times did Caeser cross the Rubicon ( or whatever river it was) and how? there are different accounts.
As for Jesus, he led NO reblillion, had no followers kill or die for him, all he was was a palestian jew that was given over by his own people for theocratic reason and was crucified as a common criminal.
As for Tec introducing "Jesus" into this thread - what Sylvia said!!
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FlyingHighNow
[1] How would that change reality as we know it?
[2] Would it create a society where we no longer have free choices?
[3] How about personal responsibility?
On two and three.
1. There is no society with completely free choices.
2. We already have personal responsibility.
Let's hope God is not like the Old Testament God. If he is, then basically God would be as blood thirsty as Satan. With a God like Jehovah, who needs a Satan?
The fact that I can think proves there to me that there is a God. Men make robots and computers that can do a lot, but they are not conscious of themselves. They do not "know" they exist as we know we do. My hunch is that God is more like 1 John 4:8.
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xchange
If god was proven to be true, I honestly have no idea what my reaction would be. It would all depend on this particular god's reason for all of the sudden proving their existence to me and what it would like me to do.
Of course my first question would be, "How many more of you are out there?"
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SweetBabyCheezits
If it's a god in which the universe is simply a living, evolving energy, I wouldn't expect to have any different future than I expect now.
If it's the deist god, then my reaction would be about the same as above, but with more curiosity. (along with relief that I don't have to study abiogenesis)
If he turned out to be the epitome of love, I'd be happy and would expect him to promptly reject the bible and other holy books and explain the logistics of WHY he'd never rely on imperfect human language and convey such important instructions to us in writing. I'd also be curious as to what's been going on behind the scenes that we don't know about that prevented him from interceding sooner to end suffering or at least communicating with us.
But suppose he made an appearance and said, "Yeah, I inspired the Bible and preserved it for accuracy all those centuries. The King James version pretty much nails it." THEN I'd be very concerned... worried... not because of my newly-developed lack of faith, but because of his bipolar personality, his failure to stay true to his word, his lack of justice, his insatiable desire for human worship and praise, and all of the traits from the bible that make him seem like an abusive husband.
If he turned out to be Allah, well, I suppose I'd be dead before I could form an opinion.