Billy Graham says Christians Don't Actually Hear the Voice of God

by leavingwt 101 Replies latest jw friends

  • Inkie
    Inkie

    Inkie -- Why do you think people read the same Bible and yet reach so many different conclusions? Is it because Satan has blinded their minds?

    LWT:

    Actually, there are a number of reasons. Certainly Satan blinding their minds is one of them. Another one is because many people prefer to have their ‘ears tickled.’ Yes? Another because they like being told what to believe and do by those who have arrogated religious authority to themselves. Another is because they ‘lean on their own understanding’ rather than listening to the Christ.

    --Inkie

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt
    Another is because they ‘lean on their own understanding’ rather than listening to the Christ.

    Have you seen how each unique brand of faith relies on Scripture to support their beliefs? Must one rely on personal revelation/Holy Spirit to know what is proper worship?

  • Inkie
    Inkie

    Nothing like a book that condones rape and the slaughtering of innocent children to put me off.

    SBC:

    I totally get that, truly.

    However, let me ask you, SBC: Your use of the word “condone” is interesting. What actually does that word mean? If I understand it, and I believe I do, it means: “to pardon or overlook voluntarily; especially to treat as trivial , harmless, or of no importance.”

    Actually, the Bible doesn’t “do” anything. It can’t “condone” anything. It’s just writing, as in this case, that describes events. It doesn’t condone. It doesn’t approve or disapprove. It’s a book. In truth, people take what is written to influence and put a spin on what is written.

    Now, while the book (the Bible) may or may not do what you attribute it to do, do you believe that God or his Christ do that?

    --Inkie

  • Watchtowers Witnesses
    Watchtowers Witnesses

    This thread brings up one of my main problems with Christianity. I believe it encourages delusional behavior and psychologically unhealthy ways of thinking. Lets just encourage people who hear voices by planting the idea that maybe the voice they’re hearing comes from a magical being who lives in the sky. Encouraging schizophrenic behavior is not morally ethical and it‘s also very dangerous.

  • Inkie
    Inkie

    LWT:

    Have you seen how each unique brand of faith relies on Scripture to support their beliefs?

    Yes, I have.

    Must one rely on personal revelation/Holy Spirit to know what is proper worship?

    Well . . . that IS what the Master is purported to have said, yes? I mean, it is written even so, is it not?

    --Inkie

  • Inkie
    Inkie

    WWs:

    "This thread brings up one of my main problems with Christianity. I believe it encourages delusional behavior and psychologically unhealthy ways of thinking." (Emphasis mine.)

    I could not agree with you more.

    --Inkie

  • littlebird
    littlebird

    This thread brings up one of my main problems with Christianity. I believe it encourages delusional behavior and psychologically unhealthy ways of thinking. Lets just encourage people who hear voices by planting the idea that maybe the voice they’re hearing comes from a magical being who lives in the sky. Encouraging schizophrenic behavior is not morally ethical and it‘s also very dangerous.

    I believe this is what Billy was trying to avoid doing.

  • Ri
    Ri

    I stand with Billy Graham.....I don't hear a voice ....it is a feeling and only last for a moment...

  • SweetBabyCheezits
    SweetBabyCheezits
    INKIE: However, let me ask you, SBC: Your use of the word “condone” is interesting. What actually does that word mean? If I understand it, and I believe I do, it means: “to pardon or overlook voluntarily; especially to treat as trivial , harmless, or of no importance.”
    Inkie: Actually, the Bible doesn’t “do” anything. It can’t “condone” anything. It’s just writing, as in this case, that describes events. It doesn’t condone. It doesn’t approve or disapprove. It’s a book. In truth, people take what is written to influence and put a spin on what is written.

    Is this the meatiest part of your argument? By what authority of semantics do you insist that the contents of a book cannot condone something? It's understood (by rational, thinking humans) that views set out in books are endorsements of the author. Do we really need to establish that? Had I said, "The bible teaches us to love one another," I don't think I'd have to clarify what I meant.

    According to the OT, the penalty for raping a virigin was that the rapist must marry the girl and 50 shekels must be paid to her father. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) The bible SAYSthat. (Durrr, but the bible doesn't "speak!" Yeah, whatever.)

    That is just one case in which the rape victim's rights are treated as "trivial , harmless, or of no importance" by the bible.

    Inkie: Now, while the book (the Bible) may or may not do what you attribute it to do, do you believe that God or his Christ do that?

    The bible condones rape, therefore Yahweh condones rape (God doesn't change), therefore Jesus condones rape ("he who has seen me has seen the father", etc).

    But, wait, since those acts are incompatible with the concept of a god of love and that constitues one (of many) massive contradictions, I don't think the bible was written by a benevolent creator at all! So to answer your question I don't think god or christ condone rape anymore than Allah condones it.

  • undercover
    undercover

    "This thread brings up one of my main problems with Christianity. I believe it encourages delusional behavior and psychologically unhealthy ways of thinking."

    I could not agree with you more.

    ...and this from someone who hears voices in their head

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