a reasonable question to any elder/members

by bigmac 88 Replies latest jw friends

  • elderelite
    elderelite

    Witch, I will answer to one aspect that you mentioned since you went out of your way to assure me that you are not trying to offend.. (god help me if you were )... You assert that if someone is so cowerdly they wont step down from being an elder after they know its all a fraud, how could they speak up for someone as an elder..

    as in the case with mac you assume facts not in evidance. You Start with the proposition that a man is a coward if he wont step down the instant he realizes the reality of the fraud being commited. That proposition is false. No one, not mosche the super apostate, not even the apostate saint Ray Franz went that route. Why do you think that simply because a man comes to the realization that the org is indeed a mind control cult that he should immediatly jump up and down and scream from the roof tops about it, making a big show as he steps down? I also find it humorous that you want others to do something that you never had to prove you would do. Also, That method has been tried by hundreds and has failed. I dont need to repeat that experiment. I am trying a different tact.. and if it fails too, then as ole blue eyes would say, at least I did it my way. I will live and die happily with that.

    The other point here is that since we cannot simply assume I or anyother elder is some milktoast push over, perhaps we could have a civil discussion about how we do, while we are still serving, help...

  • braveheart
    braveheart

    Thanks big Mac for starting this thread...I know you've taken heat...but's that's good IMO...hope your Ok.

    I am fasinated by the Elders who post...I have tremendous respect for all of YOu!

    I'm starting to understand the issues you all face...important issues ie family etc.

    I think Jehova celebrates everytime an Elder wakes up and has the guts to oppose the Cult from the inside.

    Sharing on this forum encourages people...I have two bigshot elder brothers...they call me the family JESUS FREAK ...guilty as charged!

    You elders and all Jdubs on this forum give me hope for my family. Thank you.

    Blessed assurance to all. - BH

  • RosePetal
    RosePetal

    I recommend reading 'The amazing story of Jay walters' on freeminds, about an elders story waking up and his journey out of the org.

    RosePetal

  • freddo
    freddo

    What Respectful Observer and Doubting bro. said on page one ....

    +1

  • Lozhasleft
    Lozhasleft

    I repeat what I said on another thread.....I did enough 'judging' when I was in the KH and I dont want any part of that nowadays....none of us can know what its like to be another until we've walked in their shoes a long way...all the best EE and to others who are in this unenviable position....

    Loz x

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    The most dangerous Apostates the Watchtower has, are members who are still in good standing in their familys and congregations, but have awakened and are working to get their families out.

    If a person is trying to guilt them into leaving before they have accomplished their goals, they are working to help the Watchtower.

    I always make sure that I am not guilty of doing that. Do you?

  • oldlightnewshite
    oldlightnewshite

    Does anybody know of any elders going out in a 'blaze of glory'? Has any elder just thought 'screw it!' and gone on the platform when he's got a talk, and just given a frank admission that it's all lies, then said, 'laters, losers!' and walked out? If I was an elder and had a part on the DC or CA, I would find it way too tempting to do just that. The opportunity for collateral damage would be huge.

  • Broken Promises
    Broken Promises

    Has any elder just thought 'screw it!' and gone on the platform when he's got a talk, and just given a frank admission that it's all lies, then said, 'laters, losers!' and walked out?

    Yes, there was a poster called Little Toe who did just that.

  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    LOL @ oldlightnewshite (great name)! Dude, they have those programs so tightly controlled that if you tried to pull a Little Toe (search his name here and if the link is still active you can actually hear his last talk which was FANTASTIC), they would cut the mike immediately and a standby would be available to finish. It would be pretty awesome though.

    I remember when I was a young kid (early 80s), someone shouted at the end of a CA something about the WTS being a cult and a lie. Everyone was in shock. I think he actually interupted the prayer if my memory serves. Needless to say, he was "escorted" out. This must have been in the early 80s because I remember folks picketing outside the building (on a city street) and handing out tracts. I remember my dad almost hitting one person because they jammed a tract into my hands (I was like 8 to 10 at the time).

  • oldlightnewshite
    oldlightnewshite

    Thanks for that Broken Promises. That was awesome. You can download the self-disassociation WAV file on this link.

    http://www.angelfire.com/trek/littletoe/Profile.html

    Thanks to Little Toe for uploading.

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