"Birthdays rob the glory of God"

by sabastious 202 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW
    "I did a celebration to Baal today, My mum and dad got together with us, we made sure all the kids enjoyed it and had presents.
    Little johnny got to be the "sacrifice" and he liked having the pretend flames painted on him. while we all chanted to Baal".....debator/ReniaaTard

    Only you could Out-Stupid yourself..LOL!!

    How many people in your lifetime..Do you know of..

    That have been Sacrificed by Fire..To a Pagan God,at Christmas or on a Birthday?..

    You are Absolutley a Frigg`n Idiot..

    ................................. ...OUTLAW

  • 3dogs1husband
    3dogs1husband

    Dear Debator

    My whole life I have been a Jehovah's Witness, along with all of my family and all of my friends, I have all of the books and have all of the years and years of aplying what I "learned" to fully understand the Watchtower point of view. And I also have had a lifetime to feel the effects of these teachings.

    The title of this thread is "Birthdays rob the glory of God" and imediatly you went OT and started you preprogramed info. I come to this sight knowing what the preprogramed info is, my purpose in coming to this site is to talk to ones whom like myself have the same background of preprogramed info, and then have gone on to learn and have different ideas and ways of thinking that expand and grow. I may not agree or I may. Either way it expands my mind. Normaly when reading a thread I just ignore your coments and skim past them, yet this topic is about robbing the glory. And Debator you are always trying to rob the glory. You are caught in round and round reasoning that goes no where. You know what the answer is before you look for your proof. You can only get to the answer A because you only are looking for answer A. You have yet to talk about Rom 14. Ding has brought that up 2wice. I would like to continue to disregard your thinking, but why are you here? On an apostate site?

    So there it is Debator your Achilles Heal. Proof that you do not agree with all the WT teachings - you are here. So let us choose to disagree with the WT teaching let us actualy debate and discusse things, with out the preprogramed cult teachings spewing from your mouth. Walk the Walk either get of this site go to the elders confess your sins and free yourself from all this bad association. Or choose to look at the topics and actualy think reason and debate. And the thrid option do nothing disrgared me and this post and keep you round and round reasoning. Either way you are in a pickle. You can not be on this site and have a clear christian conscience. (per wt teachings) So i feel dear debator that their is hope for you yet.

    I know that I only reciently joined and started to post comments, however I have been spending years reading post on this site. Please Debator do not take offense by my words but look into your heart, and seek out your own "truth"

  • debator
    debator

    Hi Caliber

    Pinata is a personal choice because it has lost most of it's pagan significance in it's everyday usage like with week day names etc. Birthdays and Xmas are STILL pagan celebrations they also keep all the traditions and revelries of the old and add to them. We have a cute fictional red-clothed bearded santa to lie to our kids about now. These pagan feastdays are marked by Ritual and reverence for what this world considers important.

  • The Finger
    The Finger

    Debator

    The Wt lied about the nearness of the end

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    I have a little problem with not being able to fully and openly celebrate my birthday and that of my loved ones due to Biblical principles. Having said that, I have my own personal little rituals that celebrate my birthday privately, and I know of several JWs that have their own personal rituals to observe the special day in a private manner.

    Then again, as big an Organization and as clicky as we all are, if we were to have birthday celebrations, we'd be celebrating each day, and yes, then it sure would be most distracting from what's really important in these difficult times: The preaching work.

    DY

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    "I did a celebration to Baal today, My mum and dad got together with us, we made sure all the kids enjoyed it and had presents. Little johnny got to be the "sacrifice" and he liked having the pretend flames painted on him. while we all chanted to Baal"

    Well then your celebrating and partaking in a religious pagan festival, no matter how much fun it was for your children.

    Not very cunning Lying Debator or intelligent for that matter but certainly diverse of the known facts.

  • The Finger
    The Finger

    To kids

    I should be in Paradise with my Lion

    Instead Im here with Captain Morgan

    Sorry almost forgot Sailor Jerry

  • caliber
    caliber

    Thanks debator... I personally don't put any effort into Birthdays or such holidays (unlikely the fact of my strong 30 + years as a JW )

    How many people today are aware of any pagan background in birthdays? should they research it ?should they research the Pinata

    history before they engage in it ??

    it would be unthinkable of them to start doing pagan celebrations

    In the JW history book as least 3 if not four of future leaders of the WT were present at Christmas celebrations ..why did none of them think about what you said before ?

    early Christians also knew applied biblical principle meant they didn't celebrate birthdays it would be unthinkable of them to start doing pagan celebrations
  • debator
    debator

    Hi 3dogs

    Roman 14 talks about food itself which is from God and how it not unclean by this alone. It is not a licence to white-wash pagan celebrations. Romans 14 is often misused as a loophole to whitewash what is unacceptable to Jehovah. I was just amazed he even tried to use it.

    I am a Jehovah's witness I can look back in history and see the early Christians also knew applied biblical principle meant they didn't celebrate birthdays it would be unthinkable of them to start doing pagan celebrations. When Paul preached to other nations and beliefs the people from them that followed him dropped these practices they didn't white-wash them and stick Jehovah or Jesus on them.

    The Bible is a book of instructions to live and learn by, not to just find loopholes in to do what we want. And I respect it's authority as do all Witnesses.

    2 Timothy 3:16-17 (New International Version)

    16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW
    Then again, as big an Organization and as clicky as we all are, if we were to have birthday celebrations,
    we'd be celebrating each day, and yes, then it sure would be most distracting from what's really important in these difficult times:
    The preaching work.......DY

    The preaching work is so important..

    The WBT$ goes after anyone who reprints it on the internet..

    95% of all Printed WBT$ literature is stored in JW spare bedrooms,basements and garages..

    Jehovah`s Witness`s tell you they have to leave if you ask hard questions..

    The Preaching work is so important..

    No one is supposed to know,what Jehovah`s Witness`s are Preaching..

    It has to be kept secret..

    ......................... ...OUTLAW

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