H. Hunger Reviews R. Furuli's "Assyrian, Babylonian, and Egyptian Chronology, Volume II"

by AnnOMaly 248 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW
    I simply do not have the expertise in examining the minutae of Furul's research and Hunger's review.....Scholar

    I have not forgotten that our debate is with Hunger but Hunger's issue is with Furuli
    and is yours and that is why you should pursue the matter directly with Furuli.
    I have for many years proven the reality of the Babylonian Gap by means of Bible Chronology......Scholar

    You admit you don`t understand Furuli`s work..

    If Ann and Furuli had a conversation,what difference would it make..You would`nt understand either of them..

    If by some miracle Furuli won a debate with Ann..You wouldn`t understand why Furuli won..

    Your a Nitwit posing as an Intellect..

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    ........................ ...OUTLAW.

  • Mad Dawg
    Mad Dawg

    "scholar" said:

    I have for many years proven the reality of the Babylonian Gap by means of Bible Chronology.

    Then, please fill me in. Prove from the Bible alone that Jerusalem fell in 607 BC. You always resort to clay tablets, show me using the Bible alone.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    There is ni bible chronology without secular evidence, not ONE date is ever mentioned in the bible, only events and those events are associated with the reigns of kings or with other events, to which you need secular evidence and secular chronology to establish a date.

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    Good points, Leolaia.

    Neil

    "I have not forgotten ... " -----> same ol' same ol' ----> fast forward -----> "Bible Chronology ... " blah, blah -----> FF -----> "assessment" ------> ah ...

    You have no knowledge of my English translation of the VAT 4956 so your comment merely demonstrates your stupidity and desperation.

    You mean I have no knowledge of Pastor Tolhurst's English translation you said you commissioned in 1978, and where Avondale College, Cooranbong still has 2 copies available to loan out? OK

    But whatever - the fact that you have had this translated paper for over 30 years makes it all the more incomprehensible that you have done nothing with its contents (even if there are misunderstandings with some of the German jargon). This study has not benefitted you or furthered your understanding of the tablet one bit, given your nonsensical comments about it so far. Truly astonishing.

    FF ------> "apostates" ------> more twaddle -------> end.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW
    But whatever - the fact that you have had this translated paper for over 30 years
    makes it all the more incomprehensible that you have done nothing with its contents.....AnnOMaly

    What would someone like Scholar do.. With information he doesn`t understand?..

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    ........................ ...OUTLAW.

  • bohm
    bohm

    Has anyone ever seen that translation?

  • Mad Dawg
    Mad Dawg

    PSac, shhhh... Don't give away the game plan. I want to see "scholar" skewered with his own sword.

  • Mary
    Mary
    glue-sniffing scholar said: I have for many years proven the reality of the Babylonian Gap by means of Bible Chronology.

    Sure you have scholar..........And to show our appreciation, here's a song dedicated especially to you:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKK8mAkiUI&feature=related

  • Spade
    Spade

    In relation to Babylonian chronology: Jehovah's Witnesses expand on their interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream vision in quite a bit of their literature:

    Dream vision of tree in Daniel chapter 4. Again in the book of Daniel we find a close parallel to Jesus’ use of the word “times” with regard to “the nations,” or Gentile powers. And again it is Nebuchadnezzar, the dethroner of David’s descendant Zedekiah, who was given another vision interpreted by Daniel as relating to divinely appointed kingship. The symbolic vision was of an immense tree; an angel from heaven commanded that it be chopped down. Its stump was then banded with iron and copper and had to stay that way among the grass of the field until “seven times” passed over it. “Let its heart be changed from that of mankind, and let the heart of a beast be given to it, and let seven times pass over it . . . to the intent that people living may know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind and that to the one whom he wants to, he gives it and he sets up over it even the lowliest one of mankind.”—Da 4:10-17; see 4:16, ftn.

    Related to “appointed times of the nations.” The vision definitely had a fulfillment in Nebuchadnezzar himself. (See Da 4:31-35.) Therefore, some view it as having direct prophetic application only to him and see in this vision merely the presentation of the eternal verity of ‘God’s supremacy over all other powers—human or supposedly divine.’ They acknowledge the application of that truth or principle beyond Nebuchadnezzar’s own case but do not see it as relating to any specific time period or divine schedule. Yet, an examination of the entire book of Daniel reveals that the element of time is everywhere prominent in the visions and prophecies it presents; and the world powers and events described in each such vision are shown, not as isolated or as occurring at random with the time element left ambiguous, but, rather, as fitting into a historical setting or time sequence. (Compare Da 2:36-45; 7:3-12, 17-26; 8:3-14, 20-25; 9:2, 24-27; 11:2-45; 12:7-13.) Additionally, the book repeatedly points toward the conclusion that forms the theme of its prophecies: the establishment of a universal and eternal Kingdom of God exercised through the rulership of the “son of man.” (Da 2:35, 44, 45; 4:17, 25, 32; 7:9-14, 18, 22, 27; 12:1) The book is also distinctive in the Hebrew Scriptures for its references to “the time of the end.”—Da 8:19; 11:35, 40; 12:4, 9.

    In view of the above, it does not seem logical to evaluate the vision of the symbolic “tree” and its reference to “seven times” as having no other application than to the seven years of madness and subsequent recovery and return to power experienced by one Babylonian ruler, particularly so in the light of Jesus’ own prophetic reference to “the appointed times of the nations.” The time at which the vision was given: at the critical point in history when God, the Universal Sovereign, had allowed the very kingdom that he had established among his covenant people to be overthrown; the person to whom the vision was revealed: the very ruler who served as the divine instrument in such overthrow and who thereby became the recipient of world domination by divine permission, that is, without interference by any representative kingdom of Jehovah God; and the whole theme of the vision, namely: “that people living may know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind and that to the one whom he wants to, he gives it and he sets up over it even the lowliest one of mankind” (Da 4:17)—all of this gives strong reason for believing that the lengthy vision and its interpretation were included in the book of Daniel because of their revealing the duration of “the appointed times of the nations” and the time for the establishment of God’s Kingdom by his Christ.


    The Hebrew text of the Jewish Bible, the original Semitic language found in the Masoretic text can be interpreted in different ways. It's the same with renderings of the New Testament in Koine Greek. The interpretation here is logical and well presented, but just about all Hebrew and Greek Lexicons map one word to several variations in another language. Besides, many people I know (including myself) find the Bible useful in understanding what the Jews in the time of Jesus believed but not particularly useful or ambiguous with modern science.

    For the most part I've rejected a God that is only described in a book and non-existent in common observational reality circa 2010 so the claims that God can impart supernatural power to those that ask for it is somewhat alarming or demonstrably false.

    http://www.watchtower.org/e/20091001/article_03.htm

    ...millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses have experienced the power of the holy spirit in their lives. Jehovah’s active force—the force behind the creation of the universe—can be made available to you if you wish.


    Religion is a topic I've considered to be firmly settled (in my mind anyway) so I'll put these types of inquiries off until some later date.

  • Spade
    Spade

    "scholar" said:

    I have for many years proven the reality of the Babylonian Gap by means of Bible Chronology.

    Then, please fill me in. Prove from the Bible alone that Jerusalem fell in 607 BC. You always resort to clay tablets, show me using the Bible alone."

    If the secular history is rubbish, the same can be said of H. Hunger's analytical observations.

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