H. Hunger Reviews R. Furuli's "Assyrian, Babylonian, and Egyptian Chronology, Volume II"

by AnnOMaly 248 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  AnnOMaly

  Hi Spade,

  It took a while to understand the tie in and why this subject is so important. Maybe next time you can post the watchtower information.

  Ah, you're pretty new around here, I see :-) The reason nobody posted the WT information on this thread is that most of us already know the WT position inside-out.

  If every Babylonian archeological remain excavated were synchronous with the Biblical timetable then what?

  This is where you misunderstand, I think.

  The issue is the WTS' interpretations of certain biblical passages that are made to fit with their own timeline, which clashes with certain other biblical texts and the archaeological records. (Mary has highlighted one of the fundamental problems with the WTS' hermeneutic.) It isn't a case of finding some missing archaeological remains that will overturn the established Babylonian chronology because thousands of remains have already been found that have led archaeologists and chronologists to the conclusions they have. Secular history and the Bible synchronize pretty well with each other for that time period when all the evidence is taken into consideration.

  Hypothetically, however, if archaeologists had found that all the ancient records upheld the WTS' dating system, and that Jerusalem really did fall in 607/6 BCE, then WT critics wouldn't be kicking up a stink about this.

  I think it's obvious that people here do not want Judgment Day to come that's why you go to great lenths to undermine the Bible. ...

  Well, there is a smorgasbord of beliefs on this board. However, this specific controversy about chronology and biblical timelines is not about 'undermining the Bible' but everything to do with harmonizing the Bible's testimony and the historical record.

  You do realise that the WTS is on its own with this, don't you? Nobody, apart from groups and the occasional person who have/have had an affiliation with the WTS, agrees that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607/6 BCE. Even Christian academics, who believe in the authority and truthfulness of the Bible, disagree with the WTS' timeline. Doesn't that give you pause for thought?

  And there is a bigger reason why this topic is important that you may not yet be aware of. The 607/1914 teaching is foundational to the JW leadership's claims to divinely-given authority, of being specially chosen by God (in 1918/19) to be His sole channel for dispensing spiritual truth. It is this notion that will, if your wife continues to progress in her study, ultimately lead her to being 'locked' into this religion.
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  Spade

  "And there is a bigger reason why this topic is important that you may not yet be aware of. The 607/1914 teaching is foundational to the JW leadership's claims to divinely-given authority, of being specially chosen by God (in 1918/19) to be His sole channel for dispensing spiritual truth. It is this notion that will, if your wife continues to progress in her study, ultimately lead her to being 'locked' into this religion."

  Their claims go beyond that:
  
  http://www.watchtower.org/e/20091001/article_03.htm
  
  millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses have experienced the power of the holy spirit in their lives. Jehovah’s active force—the force behind the creation of the universe—can be made available to you if you wish.

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  Whether this is true or not, people live their lives in manner that makes sense to them. Nobody's locked into anything unless they're physically restrained. People here aren't.
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  PSacramento

  I think it's obvious that people here do not want Judgment Day to come that's why you go to great lenths to undermine the Bible

  You know what Jesus said about Judgment day and people trying to figure it out?

  6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria and to the end of the earth.” 9 And when he had said this, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. 10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”

  In just the one paragraph we have the following:

  Jesus telling his very own apostles that it is "none of their business to knwo when they time will come", telling them that they will be HIS witnesses ( Witness to Christ) and we have the angels telling his apostles that Jesus will come in the same way he left.

  WHich way was that by the way?

  This way: He was lifted up and ALL saw him (untill their view was hidden by the clouds).

  When Jesus DOES return, we will ALL see him coming "out from the clouds" and decending down to us.
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  Mary

  Nobody's locked into anything unless they're physically restrained.

  They may not be physically restrained, but when you're born into a high control group like the WTS, you are certainly mentally, emotionally and spiritually "restrained" from thinking anything other than what they tell you. It's not just the Witnesses who do this, as we know all too well. How do you think Jim Jones got hundreds of people to 'freely' drink poison-laced Kool-Aid? Certainly not by their own reasoning powers. They were brainwashed. Mormons, Scientology, Islam and a whole host of other high control groups employ the same method to keep their followers under control and woe be tied those who do manage to think outside the box.

  People like 'scholar' are a perfect example of the control that religions like the WTS exerts over a person. Or Furuli for that matter. Imagine being an academic like Furuli and then spending all your waking time desperately trying to re-write history so that it fits in with your own personal beliefs. In academia, that's a huge risk to take and he's a fool for risking his reputation for a cult that wouldn't lift a finger to do the same for him.
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  Leolaia

  Mary...As I've pointed out before, the Society makes a period of incapacitation of a Gentile king symbolic of a period of Gentile supremacy (the Gentile times), by making the Gentile king symbolic of the non-Gentile kingdom of Judea (the earthly manifestation of God's kingdom). And this is not just any Gentile king, but the very same Gentile king who brought that kingdom of Judea to an end (!). The interpretive scheme is not only eisegetical (it adds to the Bible what isn't there or justified by the text), it is also incoherent.

  The Society also forgets about the century of Hasmonean sovereignty. Davidic rule wasn't reestablished during this period, it is true, so they could say that "God's kingdom" was still not restored, but it also wasn't a period of "Gentile rule" and of Jerusalem being trampled by the nations. It was a century when Jews ruled their own kingdom from Jerusalem. The Hasmonean period is easily forgotten because it falls in the period in between the OT and the NT.
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  Mary

  Excellent info Leolaia. Thanks for posting that. Who was it that came up with the brainiac idea that the 'trampling of the nations' started when the first temple fell? Was it Russell? Rutherfraud? Knorr? Freddie Franz?
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  OUTLAW

  Whether this is true or not, people live their lives in manner that makes sense to them.

  Nobody's locked into anything unless they're physically restrained. People here aren't.....Spade

  

  ............................. ...OUTLAW
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  scholar

  AnnOMaly

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  I have not forgotten that our debate is with Hunger but Hunger's issue is with Furuli and is yours and that is why you should pursue the matter directly with Furuli.

  I have for many years proven the reality of the Babylonian Gap by means of Bible Chronology.

  My assessment is similar to yours so your assessment of me =my assessment of yours.

  You have no knowledge of my English translation of the VAT 4956 so your comment merely demonstrates your stupidity and desperation.

  Through the eyes of apostates everything is distorted so I am not concerned about your opinion of me.

  scholar JW
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  isaacaustin

  Pseudcoscholar said:

  I have for many years proven the reality of the Babylonian Gap by means of Bible Chronology.

  My reply:

  You certainly have not. You have been refuted over and over again. Remember AlanF? LOL

  The rest of your words are just empty babble and not worth addressing.

  586/587 is when Jerusalem fell pseudcoscholar, mere insistance won't change it.
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  Ultimate Reality

  @ Scholar:

  Can you please post the specific Bible verses that prove "the reality of the Babylonian Gap"? No commentary needed -- just the books, chapters, and verses.

  Thank you.