by leavingwt 237 Replies latest jw friends
Everybody got egg on their faces, IMHO
I think mine are scrambled. Wait, no, maybe once over easy? I've always had some difficulty differentiating eggs on faces. On the other hand, I don't really perceive any egg on my face. On yours? Well, yes. Just a little.
Woohoo! 400. Aren't I special?
Yawn...
Get back to us when you have a thousand...
V665
"I ate the Christian nonsense hook, line and sinker for 40 years more. In fact, until 2 years ago, I could not stand the idea of 'atheism' applied to myself. By then I was over 50. ..."
AK_Jeff, I am so sorry to hear that... Although I had that original, startling insight into the real nature of the 'god' of the bible, and several other revelations and realizations afterwards, the violence and bullying that I was subjected to, caused me to remain in the religion/sect/cult much longer than I should have...
But you did get out!!! And you got out, well before the ages that some posters have mentioned; you got out at a more youthful age than Ray Franz, many posters' parents, and many who were ousted from Bethel.
I understand your point, about hating that which damages humanity. Unfortunately, as a friend of mine always reminds me, we cannot save the world. Neither can those who believe in a "sky-daddy"; Christians, Muslims, Jews, Shintoists, Buddhists, Hindus, etc., - though they often BELIEVE that they can....
The gap between belief and reality has been one of the greatest disappointments of humanity throughout the ages...
Zid
Here is what I think is a relatively unbiased account of the matter. Everybody got egg on their faces, IMHO.
Dammit, Burn, if I didn't like you.... well, I don't have anything to finish that with.
C'mon, the best unbiased account is the actual translation of the judgment against Galileo, isn't it? Did you read it? How can you still possibly still hold that the Church - as an entity - didn't have a major role in opposing Galileo's Copernican theory advancement? It says nothing against you, specifically. Stop being defensive. :-D
And hell yes, plenty of non-devouts might've balked at heliocentricity back then, too. But you can't deny the Church's involvement! Also, I've had a strong 151-n-coke on a very empty stomach so I'm probably not cohesive thru my argument here. Aarrgh!
As a matter of critical thinking I should admit that I discovered something about myself in this whole ordeal. And this might be to my own detriment but alky makes me more honest (or stupid) so I think it should be said. Once I state an argument for my perspective, I realize that I start searching for additional supporting material. Don't we all? Who wants to look like an idiot and be proven wrong. Nonetheless, my goal is to avoid that shit. But if I get something right at least let me have a tiny victory for my argument.
Stilll I want to identify occasions when I do that I stop it. So I'm backing out of this to find neutral ground amd make sure I'm not just using confirmation bias.
Goodwill to you, sir. I'll hit you back when I'm sober and realize that I've showed my hand and then I'll be pissed.
"Get back to us when you have a thousand..."
HOW many posts does Minimus have now???
Six, I'm loling in my pants right now. You've caughtme in a very semi-sober state of chucklehood.
Who wants to come sit around the firepit and have this discussion. this is great.
| Yawn... Get back to us when you have a thousand... |
Oh, but I can't wait. Imagine. ONE THOUSAND! I'm so excited at the prospect. But, I can only dare to imagine how wonderful it must be to have, say, eighteen-thousand-one-hundred-and-forty-seven posts on this board in just over four years. You know, that works out to just under 12 posts per day, every day, 365.25 days per year. That tells me three things about some people on this board:
1) They like to share their opinions a lot
2) They don't get out much
3) They like to share their opinions a lot.
But I do say I've enjoyed this thread. To one I unfairly slapped some time ago, you impress me more and more.
But by then, it was too late. I'd realized that, IF this bible 'god' was the REAL 'god', then 'he' would have KNOWN that 'his' people were paying homage to an erupting mountain - AND that "Moses" had done an incredibly stupid thing in drawing them TO THE FOOT OF AN ERUPTING VOLCANO!!!!
Usually, as far as I know anyway, people at the foot of an erupting volcano do not survive - either the ash, the blast, or the magma. Certainly their chances get even smaller if they decide to climb said volcano. If Moses had entered an ash cloud, I'm pretty sure he would have suffocated to death.
Just a thought.
Tammy
So you guys are getting all wound up in Galileo, but wasn't the question, whether science and progress were made because of, or in spite of, the church?
As a matter of critical thinking I should admit that I discovered something about myself in this whole ordeal. And this might be to my own detriment but alky makes me more honest (or stupid) so I think it should be said. Once I state an argument for my perspective, I realize that I start searching for additional supporting material. Don't we all?
But isn't there a truth somewhere?
