Loftus: Are We Angry Atheists?

by leavingwt 237 Replies latest jw friends

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    That's the point. Religion didn't invent it. Religion took it and claimed it to be its own.

    There is no way to confirm OR deny this.

    Operative word is "psycho", PSacramento, the adjective is irrelevant. It is important to separate the evil intentions of men like Stalin and Mao from the vast power they weilded in achieving them. Both men had twentieth century technology at their disposal. Do you think the Crusaders would have hesitated one second from completely vaporising the millions in Islam if they had the atomic bomb at their disposal? How naiive.

    Probably, you may be right, but that doesn't change that fact that those dictators did what they did based on an atheistic POV.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    RE: Galileo

    http://biologos.org/resources/galileo-goes-to-jail-and-other-myths-about-science-and-religion/

    Description

    "An illuminating study of the relationship between science and religion...This book features the contributions of a team of 25 scholars that includes agnostics, atheists, and Christians. Their collective objective is to dispel the "hoary myths" of the supposedly bellicose relationship between religion and science. Readers will be fascinated by the evidence that for advocating Copernicanism, Galileo was not imprisoned (as commonly thought) but interrogated--albeit under the threat of torture--and set up in an apartment. Other misconceptions concern the connection between Darwinian thought and Nazi biology, Einstein's belief in God, and Islam's alleged hostility toward scientific enquiry."
    – C. Brian Smith, Library Journal

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    Probably, you may be right, but that doesn't change that fact that those dictators did what they did based on an atheistic POV.

    PSacramento, PSacramento, PSacramento. What is to be done with you? Think about this. Mao and Stalin did what they did because they were egomeniacal, bloodthirsty, power-drunk, psychopathic killers. Religion, or more specifically lack of religion, had absolutely nothing to do with it. And, why don't you add Adolf Hitler to your list of 20th century mass muderers? He was a pretty bad dude, too. Holocaust and all that. Is it because Hitler wasn't an atheist? Yeah, that could be it, huh? You just have to read Mein Kampf and listen to his speeches to know that. So, does that mean I can say "it doesn't change the fact that Hitler did what he did based on a religious POV"? Don't think so.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Hitler was, at best a Pagan, why bring a pagan into a dicussion about Atheists ?

    That is why i didn't bring up Hitler.

    I could bring up many other atheist like Pot, Hoxa and many others but then we get in a numbers game and even if it is one that I would "win", it is irrelevant because, as you stated, it could simply be a matter of more efficient means to kill equalling the higher numbers ( which I think only shows PART of the picture).

    My point is that, the removal of God and religion does NOT equal "better times", at least on under the rule of the atheists of the 20th century.

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    Has anyone noticed that this thread has gone WAY off topic?

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Yeah, sorry....

  • Mad Dawg
    Mad Dawg

    Frankly, what I have found curious is that atheists love to shout from the roof tops that they came to their conclusion strictly as a matter of reason, yet they deny that a person of faith could come their conclusions as a matter of reason. They whine and moan that people of faith won't consider a contrary view, yet they exclude themselves from the requirement to be "open minded". What proof of God would be acceptable? Posters on this site have said that if Noah's ark were found, they would figure out a way to explain it away. Or if He stood in front of them, they would figure it was a halucination.

    The strident accusations and distortions hardly do anything to help their cause. Anyone who has actually studied the Middle Ages knows that it was plagues, famine, and the Norse invasion that caused it. If anything, the Catholic Church held society together. The Norse invasion was so bad that gold and silver became scarce to the point that they had to revert to using grain as a currency. There is another thread going here that the poster says that the fact that there are differences among the Gospels proves they are all false. Really? These differences arise from different perspectives of the writers. Let's be real here. If these differences didn't exist, they would be complaining that they were all written by one person.

    I have high regard for people like LWT who come across as reasonable. Many of you are just as bad in your attitudes towards persons of faith as you complain of them.

  • SweetBabyCheezits
    SweetBabyCheezits
    they deny that a person of faith could come their conclusions as a matter of reason.

    Many people of a particular faith are such because of presuppositions adopted from their environment as children. Do you believe all Muslims are such because of their reason alone?

    They whine and moan that people of faith won't consider a contrary view, yet they exclude themselves from the requirement to be "open minded".

    Perhaps we should consider the meaning of open-mindedness...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

    I've met countless individuals whose faith was based on presupposition, not reason. Had you never been exposed to the bible or Christian theology as a child, I find it hard to believe you would accept it as a reasoning adult. Same goes for the Koran, etc...

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    Has anyone noticed that this thread has gone WAY off topic?

    Seems to be a tendency in here. Angry atheists, I guess.

    My point is that, the removal of God and religion does NOT equal "better times", at least on under the rule of the atheists of the 20th century.

    According to Newsweek, the Best overall country in the world to live is Finland (60% atheist/agnostic/non-believer), the best quality of life in the world is Norway (72%), best large nation is Japan (65%), best health care is shared by China which, surprisingly given your observation about Mao, is only 14% atheist. The free world is becoming more secular and, contrary to what the WTBTS teaches, is becoming a better place to live, not worse.

    http://www.newsweek.com/photo/2010/08/15/best-countries-in-the-world.html

    http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html

  • SweetBabyCheezits
    SweetBabyCheezits

    *sigh* Meanwhile, I live in the arm pit of the bible belt in the southern US. Thanks, Nick.

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