So I finished reading the Origin of Species last night.....

by Mr. Falcon 65 Replies latest jw friends

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    leavingwt - Thank you for those links. I wish we could study the blue Evolution book again, because I could maybe sneak a few facts in. Oh who am I kidding? Even if I did, the average JW is too naive to even think any deeper than the next Watchtower paragraph.

    wobble - He really was very observant. Creationists love to talk poorly of Darwin's character, ala Bill O'reilly style, but in his writing are very frank and honest. He even spends entire sections of his book admitting glaring holes in his own theory. Let's see the WTBS do that.

    Giordano & Justitia Themis - Very good points you both make. Like most close-minded, ignorant factions, JWs try to dumb everything down to just "black or white" "good or evil" "us or them". But very little in this universe is that simple, other than an uneducated and closed mind. Being a born-in, I was always told that anyone in a labcoat is automatically an athiest. But I to know people who are scientists as well and many of them go to church. Riddle me that, Batman.

    Franklin Massey - I'm curious, did you get in trouble for reading that book? I wasn't going to flaunt that I had read it, but I was just wondering what the typical JW reaction would be to owning and reading this supposidly evil book.

    Thank you all for your comments.

  • VM44
    VM44

    Did Charles T. Russell or Judge Rutherford every read Origin of the Species?

  • unshackled
    unshackled

    Speaking of the old blue Evolution book...I was a born-in and was only in my early teens when we studied it. But I recall having some doubts about the logic debunking evolution. Even though I didn't know anything about evolution besides what they wrote.

    I remember the part about the "earth being in just the perfect position in the solar system because of jehovah" made me wonder. Remember thinking "maybe life is on this planet because this planet happened to be in the right spot. With billions of stars and planets, doesn't it make sense that odds are some would be in the sweet spot?"

    Did anyone else have thoughts like that? Of course I was too afraid to say anything....and felt guilty just having those thoughts.

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    VM44 - I'm gonna put my money on "no".

    unshackled - haha I was like 8 when we did that book and I ate that crap right up! All boldly making comments about how evolution is sooo stupid. Everybody there commending me on my fine comments. I'm currently working on a time machine to go back and beat my own unevolved ass.

  • unshackled
    unshackled

    "I'm currently working on a time machine to go back and beat my own unevolved ass."

    Falcon - Hilarious. When you're done I'd like to borrow it. I was a mic-handling, magazine-counter tending, aux. pioneering, keener for a while. That past version of myself needs a beat down!

    Though oddly I do recall being secretly intrigued by evolution in science class.

  • zoiks
    zoiks

    Unshackled-

    I remember studying that book and thinking like that once in a while. Of course, I'd push those doubts out of my mind immediately.

    The position of the earth in relation to the sun argument - "If the earth were 10 feet (or a mile, or 100 miles) closer or farther from the sun we'd all be dead!"- is inaccurate. The earth orbits the sun on an elliptical path- its distance from the sun varies from about 91 million miles to about 94.5 million miles, a difference of over 3 million miles.

    That's a rather large range of distance that allows for a comfortable existence.

  • worldtraveller
    worldtraveller

    People 500 years ago were much shorter than today. My son is 6'3". He is 15. Wasn't Jesus a much shorter person all those centuries ago. Wasn't everyone?

    Is that not evolution? But even if it is so, why would that debunk divine creation anyway?

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    You are driven by logic and reason; the Watchtower is driven by an intense desire to keep their "open sign" up.

    -Sab

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    The inherent structured concepts of the bible are much easier to understand within in own contents,

    particularly when its being used for exploited commercial purposes.

    The original orchestrators of this religious organization had little immersion into the concept of biological evolution,

    so little that it wasn't any real apparent value to them with regards to their promotion of their bible based ideologies.

    One thing I do remember the WTS. embracing from evolution is the concept of natural selection involving the slight changes

    to specific species diversely spread out around the world. But in doing so they have inadvertently supported evolution

    as a scientific fact.

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    Don't listen to zoiks, people. Next thing you know he'll be telling us that the Earth is round and you won't sail off the edge when you get to the horizon.

    You'd think that the WTBS would embrace the theory of evolution, seeing how their doctrines keep "evolving".

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