Spade, "Adaption" is an evolutionary process. gez how do you manage to get your clothes on in the morning...
So I finished reading the Origin of Species last night.....
by Mr. Falcon 65 Replies latest jw friends
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Mr. Falcon
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090121123041.htm
This article is awesome. Those lizards are pure boss. I always thought it was funny when a news story like this pops up on TV and JWs angrily turn off the TV without even hearing what it says. Rubbish!
I kind of figured that this thread would get hostile. But I really did want to state how reading evolution AND creationist literature at least affords me the opportunity to understand and respect both arguments, instead of arrogantly walking around proclaiming that I have all the answers as to how or why we are on this planet.
Spade, I kind of dig what you're saying about adaptation, but at the same time I have to side with bohm on this one. Adaptation is a tenet of Evolutionary Theory.
A whole sequence of mutations would have to be identified and determined along these lines.
Darwin wrote a whole chapter on this and gave a pretty solid argument as to why we don't see (or percieve) 50,000,000 weird mutations of species running around at any given moment. Adaptation takes time, homey.
And time makes lovers feel like they've got something real.
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SweetBabyCheezits
But I really did want to state how reading evolution AND creationist literature at least affords me the opportunity to understand and respect both arguments, instead of arrogantly walking around proclaiming that I have all the answers as to how or why we are on this planet.
Now hold on just one damn minute, Mr. Falcon.
Are you proposing we obtain the best information available for both perpsectives, try to suppress our biases, and only then decide where we stand? [scratches head]
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SweetBabyCheezits
Well, that don't sound riot. This the U.S. of AMURRICA. Our country was built on thangs like... super-sized value meals.... Judge JUDY... the N.mothaflippin.R.A... and dually trucks with Cummins engines. You put me on a jury and brang out a man who so much as looks suspicious, I'll vote to fry his ass on sight. That's how we do thangs round heyah, boy. [spits, sniffs]
FWIW, I escaped the hold of the WT but I'm still geographically stuck to the buckle of America's fundamentalist belt and cynicism is eating away at my soul (patch).
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zoiks
I'm still geographically stuck to the buckle of America's fundamentalist belt
Cheez, I must say that I don't envy you in that respect, except when it comes to your having lots of material to work with, comedy-wise.
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Retrovirus
Mr Falcon
But I really did want to state how reading evolution AND creationist literature at least affords me the opportunity to understand and respect both arguments, instead of arrogantly walking around proclaiming that I have all the answers as to how or why we are on this planet
Very intersting thread! One of my jw ladies just dropped off a copy of "The neck of the giraffe" by Francis Hitching.
I'm impressed that they went to that length after I complained of quotes out of context, and calling Francis H an "authority"
I've only started it, but get the impression that he was trying to stir up controversy, yet claim a scientific perspective.
Somehow I doubt that they (jw ladies) will read it, even though they provided it.
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GLTirebiter
Don't you represent the Catholic version of evolution: theistic evolution?
If you insist on applying a label to me, that is close enough.
Regarding "theistic evolution" vs. "special creation" or "intelligent design", the teaching of the Church is neutral. What matters is that God created the entire universe and everything in it by methods we do not fully comprehend, and is solely responsible for giving us souls.
"What is the Catholic position concerning belief or unbelief in evolution? The question may never be finally settled, but there are definite parameters to what is acceptable Catholic belief ...
Concerning biological evolution, the Church does not have an official position on whether various life forms developed over the course of time. However, it says that, if they did develop, then they did so under the impetus and guidance of God, and their ultimate creation must be ascribed to him.
Pope Pius XII declared that "the teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions . . . take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter-[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God...
The contribution made by the physical sciences to examining these questions is stressed by the Catechism, which states,
'The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers' (Catechism of the Catholic Church 283). "
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JustHuman14
Couple of years ago in my country there was a Bishop in a major T.V interview. The reporter asked him regarding evolution and how does the Orthodox Church deals about it. The answer was astonishing. The Bishop said that it is science job to say how did we evolved and how did life created on Earth. This is purely science and the Chruch DOES NOT interfear with Science matters. Our aim is not to explain how did life created. We are focusing on healing the soul and the spiritual nature of humans, since we so not have physical only physical nature.
So if God used Evolution to create life what is the problem with that!!!
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Mr. Falcon
So if God used Evolution to create life what is the problem with that!!!
This was the sorta the tone I got from Origin of the Species. Darwin called the theologian naturalists out for being so stubborn and close minded while at the same time carefully wording his book to allow for the possibility of a Creator. So if you believed in a Creator or not, it was all cool to Darwin, he just didn't think you should be close-minded.
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Mr. Falcon
Are you proposing we obtain the best information available for both perpsectives, try to suppress our biases, and only then decide where we stand?
Cheez, you won't hear that kind of reasoning in a Kingdom Hall!!!