Is "Kingdumb Hall" really an offensive term? (page 7)

sabastious

dgp,

I don't support censorship.

This thread is about stating our opinions on the apostate slang and I did just that. You are the one that drew the false conclusion that I wish it to be censored.

Lets get something straight here. I am a strong advocate of free speech, but I am also an advocate of personal discretion of that free speech. I think common sense plays a key role within the Free Speech framework.

My point with asking the rethorical question of whether we should or should not debate the Watchtower beliefs here was missed here. Do you really think that a person will feel most repelled by the words "Kingdumb Hell", or by an open discussion that directly questions the Watchtower.

I'm using my perspective as a compass because I know that some people are like me. I would be put off by the term (not now) when I was first exiting. The fact that I would have felt attacked by the terms tells me that maybe some others would feel the same way. If these slang terms are keeping even one person from exiting the Organization then I think they should be jettisoned. I think this community would do that voluntarily if it was apparent that it was detrimental to some Witnesses exit.

Yes, that will encourage critical thinking but, don't you think that someone will feel like going back anyways? Maybe they won't say that the outside world consists of name - callers, but they could say that it consists of independent thinkers who run ahead of Jehovah's organization.

I would rather be reported on as an independent thinker than a name-caller, but that's just my preference and still not the point.

I have a dream that one day this hate war between Witnesses and Ex-Witnesses will be over, but I know that it has to happen naturally and without coercion. I have so many family members that think I am Satan's puppet and that bothers me, albeit not as much as did when I first exited.

-Sab

Nickolas

I have to agree with you, Quandry. By your own accounting you badly screwed up and if I was you I'd be bitter, too. But you know deep down that you had a lot of help and most of the blame for your mistakes is not yours. I'm resentful, too. I despise the WTBTS for what it has taken away from my life, not because I was complicit in it but because my indifference and bad judgement allowed it to happen. I screwed up in a different way.

But don't beat yourself up. Lots of us in here got sucked in by the WTBTS. If you want to bring down the Watchtower, as a great many of us do, you need a more sophisticated approach than schoolyard name calling.

dgp

Again, a point missed. What poses a greater risk to the Watchtower: a name caller, or someone who proves 607 B.C. is a lie? In that sense, what is more likely to produce a negative reaction towards the forum?

I think this community would do that voluntarily if it was apparent that it was detrimental to some Witnesses exit.

Indeed. I've been trying to make the point that it does not seem to be that apparent.

This thread has to end sometime. So, I will only add this much. Who is the driving force between the "hate war between witnesses and ex-witnesses"? Do you think that the Watchtower has something to do with it? Does it seem to you that they apply coercion? What about "hating apostates in the true sense of the word?" How are you going to get the Watchtower to refrain from name-calling against those who leave?

Question. In his books, Ray Franz did not use any derogatory term against the Watchtower. Does that mean the Watchtower would accord the man some respect?

doofdaddy

Then again, OUTLAW's sense of humour always makes me smile, laugh even, and that helps me not take all this shit too seriously.

you need a more sophisticated approach than schoolyard name calling.

sabastious

Again, a point missed. What poses a greater risk to the Watchtower: a name caller, or someone who proves 607 B.C. is a lie? In that sense, what is more likely to produce a negative reaction towards the forum?

I'm sorry if I keep missing your point. I read your posts then I reply the best I can. I think it's time for a beer.

-Sab

sabastious

This thread has to end sometime. So, I will only add this much. Who is the driving force between the "hate war between witnesses and ex-witnesses"? Do you think that the Watchtower has something to do with it? Does it seem to you that they apply coercion? What about "hating apostates in the true sense of the word?" How are you going to get the Watchtower to refrain from name-calling against those who leave?

The Watchtower is the culprit ultimately. We have zero control over what the Watchtower tells their members which is a major reason why I believe that we must be the bigger people because we are no longer under their influence. The Rank and File are sheep and their hate is predictable so we are the ones that need to switch it up and I feel that curving my negativity towards them in my speech is just that.

-Sab

Juan Viejo2

I think there is a time and a place for everything - even a little ridiculous name calling on occasion - depending upon who might become offended. I'm not likely to say, "How's the weather up there, fat boy?" to Shaquille O'Neal. Nope, not appropriate and possibly very dangerous. My medical insurance would probably not cover my expenses for those injuries.

As an editor of a website that criticizes the Watchtower Society, but not individual JWs (unless they happen to be part of that seven man rotation in Patterson or a historical member of the Society), I want to draw in and welcome as many current, recently past, and hopefully wavering JWs that I can. Calling them names, making fun of their magazines and buildings - unless done in something that is clearly supposed to be parody or satire - will chase them away and brand me and my website as "anti-Christian" or "anti-Jehovah," which is not the case.

So here, yes, we should all be used to the funny names and the often biting, harsh, and well-written humor we find here. JWs who come here to find support for anything the Watchtower teaches or supports have come to the wrong place. If they're going to be offended by a few funny names for their ridiculous cult, they deserve to go away and hide from reality and live their miserable lives unloved and unwanted - and without a smile on their face.

JV

Nickolas

What's the point? You all just go wherever the wind takes you and I will sincerely wish you well, and help you get there if I can.

Good night.

scary21

I love free speach!!!! I love to laugh.....I can and do laugh at myself all the time....love the humor on this board!!!!!

Meeting Junkie No More

Nickolas:

She skipped two grades

Ok, I'm impressed. I only skipped one. Back to topic.

Kingdumb is a pun. How do puns work? http://writinghood.com/writing/how-puns-work-as-a-play-on-words/

In short, they tickle the intellect - got that? The INTELLECT. So, if your wife is as intelligent as you say she is, this may in fact be THE BEST WAY TO GET THROUGH TO HER! I suspect these terms make YOU feel uncomfortable. Try them out - they just might contribute to your own catharsis!

Or to put it Biblically - "Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones!" - Ecclesiastes 7:9

Is "Kingdumb Hall" really an offensive term?

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