Wanted to get reinstated... Almost ready to give up (page 3)

Open mind

If your hubby was the COBOE and he used adultery to get out of his previous marriage it's going to be a VERY long time.

Here's a line we were told at Elder's School about 5 years ago:

"The degree of discipline should be commensurate with the degree of deviation."

That's a verbatim quote because they repeated it over and over from one school to the next and at subsequent CO visits.

Your husband has absolutely no wiggle room for "Oh, I didn't fully realize the seriousness..... blah, blah."

I completely concur with OTWO on child baptism. It is completely irrevocable. Why should a minor be allowed to make a decision like that?

Take your time. Don't let the kids get baptized just yet. Educate yourselves about your religion from outside sources.

WANTING something to be true, doesn't make it true.

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palmtree67

Well, my experience is a bit like Poopsie's:

I fully intended to go back when I was df'ed. But I had taken so much abuse in the Org that I wasn't ready emotionally or mentally for the way we would be treated.

In the meantime, I started checking stuff out that had always bothered me, but I never had time to really look into - my own personal "Wait on Jehovah" file.

I found out that alot of what I had been taught (I was a born-in) wasn't true. After that, I had no problem stepping away from the religion. I started focusing on building a new life and finding happiness. And I've accomplished both those things in a short period of time.

I hope your man is in therapy or getting some counselling. I wish you the best on your journey!!

Palm

headisspinning

The thing is adultery, although wicked, is a very 'human' sin. What I mean is, it's 'natural' if you know what I mean. Whereas, threatening to kill your wife, can be overlooked. That pisses me right off!

wasblind

" They just said it was 'too soon' and could take 'years and years' "

Question: If only Jehovah can read the heart, who are they to determine your sincerity

headisspinning

Interesting, PalmTree. Would love to hear more... and yes, he's in therapy and on meds for PTSD. Thanks!

Nickolas

Take your time, headisspinning. Don't be in a rush to go back. Truth is not stale dated and the measure of who you are is not a label and not a process. Keep asking questions. The most important being, "why am I not allowed to ask questions?"

palmtree67

headisspinning:

I would just keep reading and posting here, asking questions. Once you see the religion for what it is - just another religion - it's quite easy to walk away and be happy.

I still consider myself a spiritual person, I pray and study more than I ever did as a JW. I feel closer to the Creator than I ever did before. Leaving the JW's is not the same as leaving your faith behind.

Since they've already let you know that it will be a long time for you to be reinstated, why not take a breather?? Sit back and take a breath, focus on your husband's mental health and your new baby and new marriage.

Your salvation is not in the hands of a group of elderly men sitting in an office in Brooklyn, who have never been married or even worked a real job.

Honesty

headisspinning said:

The thing is, I have never had any doubts about this being The Truth... until now... seeing how we've been treated. It just doesn't add up.

The reason it doesn't add up is because...

IT IS NOT THE TRUTH.

You should research not only the past history of the Watchtower Society but also its very recent history before you

get pulled back into the organization because most who do go back will be sneaky enough not to get caught again for any infractions.

For starters go here for the truth about the truth:

http://www.jwfacts.com/

InterestedOne

headisspinning wrote:

We want it to be the Truth...

I can understand what it feels like to want something to be true. I don't know how much you have read on the topic of "critical thinking," but if you are in the mood for it, google it. It does not always mean being negative or "critical." It is part of what I consider to be a healthy process of developing what one believes. It has to do with examining what is more likely to be true, and thus more "believable," and what is not as likely to be true.

diamondiiz

headisspinning:

Your problem is that you believe what the strangers (wts corporation) told you without researching the facts yourself. You can believe in unicorns and tooth fairies but that won't make them any more real. Sit down, research the facts. Compare the real facts with what wts tells you and decide who is lying to you. Is it the world or wts. Ask a lot of questions and don't be afraid to ask even if it may sound stupid. There can only be one outcome. Truth will stand on it's own and won't need to be twisted as some do to make it fit into their ideology. Start with Russell and reason on what he taught and how the teachings have evolved to what they are today and ask yourself why wts did this at the time they did and don't simply assume because the light gets brighter. If you use the brain you have, I'm sure you will come to the right conclusion. RESEARCH!!! After you do a thorough research and you still believe wts is for you and you want to go through the hoops to get back in, then at least you will gain knowledge of the wts history and your decision to go back will be based on informed decision not based on a belief system that was passed down to you. If you think your mother was fanatical, what makes you think your present belief isn't fanatical if you're not willing to research the watchtower with an open mind? By thoroughly researching you and your husband will do yourselves a great favor which will also benefit your child as it grows older.

consider this example:

concerning Russell and 1914. 1914 was to be the end of last days and not the beginning. To come up with 1914 he believed that Jesus returned in 1874 therefore.

1874(based on 6000years of human existence)+40(harvest time)=1914

1878(early in the year of Jesus taking power) + 36.5 (corresponding to time between death of Jesus and destruction of Jerusalem) =1914(october)

Pyramid of Giza passage measurements indicated that 1914 would be the end of gentile times, conclusion of the system.

536(first year of Cyrus)+70(years of Jerusalem in captivity)+2520(7times) =1914 (end of gentile times)

today:

537(second year of Cyrus)+70(years of Jerusalem in captivity)+2520(7 times) = 1914

Back in Russell's day no one believed Jerusalem was destroyed in 606BC!!! Today there is a lot of evidence that proves Jerusalem was destroyed in 587BC. Based on what did wts decide that it was in Cyrus' second year that 70 years have ended while Russell taught it was in the first year of Cyrus? How come when they moved 100 years to 1975 for human existence they didn't move Jesus return to 1975 but moved it to 1914? Ask questions and reason why they did the things they did and you will see that 1914 had a war so that was their best bet to keep 1914 as a pivotal date and attach their date calculations to that.

Just on this topic of dates alone you will see wts is deceiving it's members as to Jesus' return.

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