by VM44 55 Replies latest watchtower scandals
If the JW,s arent Gods true religion-which christian religion is?
well, the fallacy you are making there is called a false dilemma.
Where would one turn to be fed spiritual food from the faithful slave ( teachers ) whom Jesus appointed.
some would suggest a bible...
I cannot see one single religion that claims they are christian who can even understand simple bible milk let alone any meat.
what about beer?
Bohm-- There arent any teachers in a bible. Jesus himself said he appointed the faithful slave. He called them his brothers and said this of them--persay-whatever you do to the least of my brothers-you do to me. So then if one listens to the faithful slave they actually listen to Jesus. Yet they are imperfect humans who make mistakes, but if they correct the mistakes, that is repenting of the mistakes- Satan owns every religion on this earth except for the one that has the faithful slave that Jesus appointed- Satan doesnt need to infiltrate lies into all of the other ones he did that centuries ago,and they never made corrections- But now satan needs to infiltrate lies into Jesus religion and hopes they too never make corrections, ahh but there is one that we all see that does just that-the JW,s.
blueweed wrote: are the spiritual food thats being provided opposite to the bible teaching?
I feel that Bible teaching as explained by JWs does not mean anything. It is their version of Truth TM . The JWs do not have exclusivity to truth. Thinking they do is just part of the brainwash.
bohm wrote: If the JW,s arent Gods true religion-which christian religion is?
Maybe none of them...? Christians all teach a punishing belief system. Where is the love? A father killing his son in a blood sacrifice sounds demonic to me.
satinka
Satan owns every religion on this earth except for the one that has the faithful slave that Jesus appointed
So, what you're saying is that Rutherford's schism from Russell's teachings is exempt from belonging to Satan? Yet, the religion that Jesus started, was completely taken over and disappeared completely for over 1800 years? I guess you're saying Jesus' religion didn't have Holy Spirit backing it, but Rutherford's does.
Actually, it's pretty obvious that as soon as Jehovah's Witnesses officially became a denomination, it started going downhill. The centralization of power and doctrine is what ruined Jehovah's religion. He warned them about having kings, but the Jews wouldn't listen; next thing you know, there are altars to Baal and "sacred poles" all over the place; eventually you end up with Pharisees making up their own rules. Jesus' Christianity, and the Bible Students both were brought down by centralization of power and doctrine. The Governing Body is just the JW version of the Catholic Magisterium.
It took human church leadership to get people to buy the Trinity and Hellfire doctrines and it takes human church leadership to convince people of a "Governing Body" in Jerusalem and a "faithful and discreet slave" of human overlords. I'm not saying you should leave the Witnesses - I won't - just cautioning you not to put your faith in the men in charge, the organization itself, or its literature. All of that belongs to Satan, just like the Pharisees even though they were in Jehovah's house.
Over and over, God's true followers have had to choose between their group and their God. Be careful not to confuse the two. "God's organization" made a golden calf. "God's organization" rejected and killed Jesus. "God's organization" started the Inquisitions. The Society exists for the same reason every other church exists: To confuse people. Most churches use false doctrine to confuse people, while the Society's version of confusion is to blur the line between following God and following men claiming to represent God, and they have 7M people fooled. Get rid of the hive mind and have a personal relationship with Jehovah and Jesus. We must each bear our own load and the only place following a group has ever led was into sin.
The Watchtower company has people convinced that a group is our salvation. They have people convinced they are a modern-day Moses, leading God's people to the promised land. Jesus said the Pharisees sat themselves in the seat of Moses. If you don't see a huge and growing pile of very frightening similarities between the Governing Body and Pharisees of Jesus' day, you're completely blind or have never read the gospels.
KJW - Help me out here and give me evidence that Jesus chose the asswipes in brooklyn as the "faithful slave" (which by the way is parable)!?
WontLeave ......hooray!!!!! thats the most sense I have read in a while....brilliant!!!
Religions exist for people, not for God or Jesus.
We need a personal relationship, not a group concience.
People join groups because they need other people....not because they need God. There is nothing wrong with joining groups to be with fellow human beings. In fact that is possibly healthy. But don't confuse the two.
I have heard the question....If this isn't the true religion then what is? ....the answer.......none of them. They are ALL about power, control and money
Yes, and the ones I know are such dweebs.
JK
If you don't see a huge and growing pile of very frightening similarities between the Governing Body and Pharisees of Jesus' day, you're completely blind or have never read the gospels.
Worth repeating.
Having read various Bible translations and having studied the Bible with several different groups, evangelical, Mormon, etc, etc., it appears that Jehovah's Witnesses are the only group I have met who accurately relate what the Bible actually says. ALL other teachers I have come across have FAILED to teach what the Bible says. I am not a member of the WTS but I can see when someone is faithfully relating the Bible's contents and I have great respect for WTS no matter how crazy or self important it's members may appear.
Do remember however, in balancing this debate, that we are ALL a little crazy and confused and we seem to take the greatest delight in attacking each other in Jesus' name. ALL Christians are SELF APPOINTED. All Christians HAVE to live in this world of strife and man made troubles. All Christians' hands must get dirty at times while dealing with this society. Our salvation occurs, if ever it does, because of our own behaviour not because of the behaviour of any authority or governing body.
"---it appears(says who?- 99.9% of the world say NO!) that Jehovah's Witnesses are the only group I have met (you need to get out of the house more and look around better) who accurately (show me where blood transfusions are in the Bible) relate what the Bible actually says. ALL other teachers I have come across( like I said, get out of the house) have FAILED (1975 was a big failure for the JWs- I know I was there when it happened) to teach what the Bible says. I am not a member of the WTS (you sound like a shill to me) but I can see (you haven't looked past the end of your nose at the buried history of the WT Society)) when someone is faithfully relating the Bible's contents ( The world is waiting for the first public WT charity of open it's doors for the poor) and I have great respect for WTS ( the WT leaders will use you for a grubby doormat, if you let them) no matter how crazy or self important ( finally something that makes sense) it's members may appear."
