Is this not an easy question?

by the pharmer 137 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • djeggnog
    djeggnog

    @Pika_Chu:

    Do you know that other Christian denominations interpret things mentioned in Daniel and Revelation the same way? Does that mean THEY have holy spirit?

    Yes.

    @the pharmer:

    I know I've said this before, but I'll say it again: We know that there are things that we do not know accurately and that in time we will come to know those things that we currently do not know at present accurately.

    But you are presently in the position in which I once used to be, in my not knowing what things we currently do know now with accuracy. Now everyone has to begin somewhere, but JWN is not the place to be attempting to learn what things the Bible teaches. Here on JWN, you can learn how folks that were formerly associated with Jehovah's Witnesses now feel about the people that continue to be associated with Jehovah's organization. Many of the folks here have no problem with the Bible per se, or so they say, but their "problem" pretty much has to do with the fact that so many imperfect people have for whatever reason been drawn to Jehovah's organization, people displaying self-righteous attitudes as if they were perfect whom they are especially glad that they never have to see them again ever in life.

    Remember, these unresolved issues have bearing on everything else you write....

    That* would just be your opinion, @the pharmer, would it not? What you believe to be unresolved issues may be unresolved for you, but not for everyone; certainly not for me, so while I'm not about to posit an argument as to how what things I have written in this thread are not a source for any anxiety or frustration you might have in how I have addressed your concerns, I believe I more than adequately answered the question you initially raised as the OP:

    (@the pharmer:)

    If I read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes the WT's view of the same passage, in your mind who has the truth about that passage (i.e. who is correct)?

    (@djeggnog:)

    If you were to read a passage of Scripture and were to draw a conclusion that is a different from the one reached by Jehovah's Witnesses, this would not necessarily mean that your conclusion was incorrect.

    Also, I appreciate all the effort you put into providing information within your posts, but honestly, all I’m concerned about at this point is the active ingredient – i.e. if you put in too many inactive ingredients, the pill becomes too large to swallow.

    Perhaps it would be wise not to even try to swallow any of the things I've said here in this thread, but find a local Kingdom Hall and ask anyone that you feel comfortable approaching if they would be willing to devote some of their time toward responding to your questions, whatever they may be. Give them the same questions you asked me here on JWN and any other questions you might have, and see how your questions are then answered, see if the pill you are given is a bit easier for you to swallow. Some people do not like swallowing pills at all, and perhaps you may learn that you are one of those people!

    As this is an international forum, and everything I post here will eventually be googled and perhaps taken out of the original context of each of my post, my responses are quite deliberate in that I do not wish to say anything that I believe could (and would!) be misconstrued as if I had said something that I did not intend to say. You have the approach that you wish to take, but Jehovah's Witnesses have our own approach that we take in helping folks to understand the Bible and God's purposes. I suggest you pursue your inquiries using the channel that our God has providentially set up to provide such assistance by your approaching one of Jehovah's Witnesses personally, or by your sending a letter to one of our branch offices such as in the US, to 25 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn, NY 11201-2483, USA; or, if you are in Great Britain, to The Ridgeway, London NW7 1RN, England; or, if you are in Canada, to Post Office Box 4100, Georgetown, ON L7G 4YG, Canada; or, if you are in Mexico, Apartado Postal 895, 06002 Mexico DF. In the alternative, you may use the following link to fill out the online form --

    http://tinyurl.com/dhaa4

    -- and we will send someone to your home at which time you may make whatever inquiries you wish.

    @djeggnog

    _____

    *"That" instead of "What."

  • jay88
    jay88

    It is Official Djeggnog is on WTBTS payroll.

  • satinka
    satinka

    I figure all beliefs, even secular ones, are valid. People don't have to operate on theological beliefs. We get to choose. Theologies all seem to fit into a box anyway. That doesn't feel healthy. People need to be free so as not to fit themselves into a box. People need to be self-directed --- as opposed to being TOLD what to believe (like the jws do). That was one of the first things I discovered after exiting the jws ---the need for my SELF-DIRECTION! Unfortunately, the jws still try to control me even after leaving. They are holding my kids as hostage (in the form of shunning). A very cruel process which feels like emotional blackmail.

    satinka

  • the pharmer
    the pharmer

    djeggnog,

    You said:

    What would just be your opinion, @the pharmer, would it not? What you believe to be unresolved issues may be unresolved for you, but not for everyone; certainly not for me, so while I'm not about to posit an argument as to how what things I have written in this thread are not a source for any anxiety or frustration you might have in how I have addressed your concerns, I believe I more than adequately answered the question you initially raised as the OP:

    Do the following highlighted conflicts, which you introduced as part of your answer and explanation to me, seem to be a matter of opinion? Or is it your attempt to avoid addressing them?

    If you were to read a passage of Scripture and were to draw a conclusion that is a different from the one reached by Jehovah's Witnesses, this would not necessarily mean that your conclusion was incorrect.

    If you were to read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes my view as one of Jehovah's Witnesses as to the meaning of this same passage, in my mind you have a mistaken view that needs to be adjusted to the Scriptures

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW
    Do you know that other Christian denominations interpret things mentioned in Daniel and Revelation the same way?
    Does that mean THEY have holy spirit?.....Pika_Chu

    Yes.....DjEggNogg

    Do you really believe anyone is going to mistake you for a Jehovah`s Witness?..

    Only the WBT$ has the Holy Spirit in Watchtower World

    You are a serious Dumb Ass..LOL!!

    ....................... ...OUTLAW

  • kjw53
    kjw53

    Pika-chu--- that isnt the point-the point is you can ask the holy spirit a thousand times what those beast are and you would never come up with the answer-- Jesus appointed the fds to give spiritual food at the proper time- And he also called them his brothers and said of these-- persay--whatever you do to the least of these my brothers-you do to me-- So in reality if the JW leaders are in fact the faithful slave--all you who condemn them actually condemn Jesus- or call them liars you call Jesus a liar he said to that effect. Its just like in Jesus day-the false religious teachers called his religion a sect ( cult ) because they didnt learn in the school of men, the holy spirit teaches the fds.

  • jay88
    jay88

    eggs-The point is not to claim to be teaching what Jehovah's Witnesses are teaching while teaching something else altogether than what Jehovah's Witnesses are officially teaching others. This last is the very definition of apostacy

    Uniformity is more important than truth,......

  • poopsiecakes
    poopsiecakes

    I'm starting to like DJ and KJ. The comic relief is awesome!

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    djeggnog, you may be ok with cognitive inconsistencies, but if you leave them unresolved, you not only leave the questioner dissatisified, but all other objective readers as well. Your materials, though lengthy, lose credibility.

    Consider cloth made with cheap thread. You may be able to weave yards and yards of it, but if it falls apart on first wearing, people will discard it.

  • the pharmer
    the pharmer

    djeggnog,

    Also, just so you understand, I'm not interested in having someone else clear up contradictions which you have personally introduced. You are the author, therefore it is your responsibility (not someone else's) to reconcile them now that you've been made aware of them. Whether or not you choose to is up to you.

    BTW- I'm not averse to taking pills, assuming their benefits outweigh their risks, but I certainly wouldn't take one without knowing the active ingredient. How about you help reconcile this particular active ingredient?

    Thanks.

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