And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony (page 5)

Perry

That is simply profound Transhuman. I can see you have given this alot of thought.

Jesus lives inside of all born-again Christians. It doesn't get any more real than that. That is what I know for a fact.

transhuman68

Amen to that, brother. There is probably a Colonel Gaddafi inside every born-again Christian too- just waiting to be let out...

...and what's with being born-again, anyway? John Shelby Spong says we should grow up instead. I think that makes much more sense.

startingover

Perry,

It's a simple question that I haven't seen answered. If it's a real place it must have an identifiable location, right?

Perry

starting over, have yoiu tried to google that question? There is a lot of stuff out there on the unpopular subject of hell.

bohm

perry got all the answers, unless the question is uncomfortable, in which case he ducks it and return a couple of weeks later with all the answers...

transhuman68

It's your turn to spank Perry now bohm. My arm is getting tired.

bohm

transhuman, i will :-)

Perrys system for morality is at the bare basics this:

God define what is good and what is bad. He reward those who do good, he punish those who do bad.

Suppose you have a child and you tell the child its okay to wear shoes indoor; most children will not object to that and simply wear shoes indoor. Now suppose you take the same child and tell it that its okay to beat other children with sticks.

Most children will object, and recognize there is a difference between this command and being allowed to wear shoes indoor. The few who does not are the ones who are disposed for becoming psychopats, and if they indeed grow up and has to rely on others instructions for their morals, as well as a reward/punishment system for actually finding motivation for following the instructions, then we call them psychopats.

What perry advocate is the morral system of a psychopat. A person who deside if it is good or bad to kill another human being depending on the will of "God", and not the intrinsic value of other human beings.

It works and its simple, but it is a dystopic and awfull way to ground morrals.

snowbird

Sylvia, i promise that if i ever have to drop by your place to persecute you, i will bring the desert :-).

LOL!

I would appreciate that.

As for calling Perry out on his beliefs on Hell, that is not for me to do.

The Master will set everyone straight in due time.

I believe we're all going to be in for someBIG surprises.

Syl

lovelylil

bohm,

We don't really know what happens to people in hell. There are differences of opinion. But we know the finally unrepentent do go to a place called hell. Where it is exactly? or what it is exactly? we don't really know for sure. Some say a place of eternal suffering, some say "outter darkness" meaning in a spiritual sense you are forever seperated from God and his love.

The fact is though that God does discipline the unrepentent. I agree with Perry that if anyone is seriously interested in this topic, they should do some good online research. There is also a great book on the topic that gives the different perspectives. You can find it on Amazon.com and it is called "Her Gates will Never be Shut, Hell, Hope and the New Jerusalem" by Bradley Jersak.

Peace,Lilly

lovelylil

sylvia Amen to you! You are correct, we could all be in for a big surprise. And I love surprises. Peace to you, Lilly

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony

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