Was Jesus a Mighty God In Human Form That Suffered Hematidrosis?

by sabastious 59 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    We can absolutely get inside the mind of Christ, the Holy One of Israel, dear PSacto (the greatest of love and peace to you!). That is the purpose of our union with him: to become one. It is the mind of the MOST Holy One of Israel that is hidden from us, except to the extent that Christ reveals it to us. HE alone knows the mind of God... and relates that to us, when necessary. But his mind is always open to those truly in union with him.

    And love to you my sister :)

    I was referring to trying to get inside the mind of Christ via what was written in the bible.

    It just doesn't work that way, while th ebible POINTS to Our Lord, it isn't Our Lord and as such, gives only a limited view, revelation, of Our Lord.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Ah, yes, dear PSacto (again, peace to you!). I understand now. Thanks for clarifying and you are absolutely correct!

    Peace to you, dear one!

    YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

    SA

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    Shelby I created this little graphic based on what you told me, please correct any errors. My questions are in it. My mind works visually, I don't mean to make fun of what you have to say, I am actually very interested.

    -Sab

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Excellent graphics and questions Sab :)

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Oh, golly, dear Sab (again, peace to you!)... I will try but I don't know how to use/edit/rearrange your graphics/questions. But here goes what my Lord explained/showed to me. First, I want to explain what I mean by "fleshly/fleshly body". The physical body is flesh... with its blood (hemoglobin), versus flesh with GOD'S blood (holy spirit). On the other hand, the spirit body can manifest flesh, bone and sinew; however, it can because it has God's blood (holy spirit) which renders it "free"... versus its own blood, which enslaves it. So, when I state "flesh", I mean the phyiscal body with its blood... and not the spirit body (which can also manifest as flesh). K? K! Okay, then:

    1. GOD = A spirit Being, who is the source of all life, spiritual and physical, in existence. Both in the spirit world and the physical universe. He was not created. A creation is something brought forth from nothing by another. He had no beginning... nor does He have an end. There was no one before Him, so He was not created by anyone else. Scientifically, I would explain Him as the ultimate Source of energy, light, heat, and all that is life. Love is what prompted Him to create. First, love for His "free" wife, Jerusalem Above (which means, the city/place of [double/unending] peace in the heights [highest dimension]"... which is the spirit realm. She is the "woman" spoken of in Genesis and the Revelation. He exists in "her" and "she" in Him. They are one and that love... which some could even call self-love... promoted Him to produce a Son (with her as the "mother" and Him as "father", thus her seed and His seed). He was not lonely at all, because all that He needs can be found within Himself. But... and I can understand this as a wife, mother, and pet-owner, love sometimes prompts one to want to share what love... ummmm... "produces" in one... with another.

    2. SPIRIT (YOU) = I don't know specifically when you, as a spirit, were created, dear one. As a spirit, you were created, though, as all spirits are, except the One who was first BORN. Some of those spirits are later born, as sons, as well. I do know that it was long before the physical universe came into existence. The PURPOSE was the same as with the First Son: love. The Most Holy One of Israel intended to produce more "sons" with the Woman; however, before her "seed" (you) could be "fertilized" by HIS "seed" (holy spirit)... enemies (other spirit beings that existed, that were NOT seed of the Woman or "sons"... because they were created, not born, as the sons are) threatened them. So, a new "universe" was created to hide the seed. Treasure... hidden in earthen vessels (physical bodies).

    3. YOUR VESSEL (CAPABLE OF CONTAINING YOUR SPIRIT) = To hide you (and me, and the rest of the Woman's seed)... the Most Holy One of Israel created an alternate universe. He did this using the First Son. The energy possessed by that first Son was sufficient to create a phenomena where matter came from "nothing." He was the "nothing"... the energy source... the LIGHT... through which matter came into existence, and thus the physical universe. Through him, the Door between the two worlds... the seed was brought into the physical realm and hidden... in a tiny, remote, seeminly undetectable corner of the new universe. It was hidden in one man, Adham... who the Most Holy One of Israel "produced" with another "wife"... the physical realm (the earth). Unlike the First Son, who was a spirit in a spirit vessel, this Son was a spirit in a physical vessel. BUT... that physical vessel was not limiting: like the other Son's, it could go in and out between the spirit and physical realms. Because passage between the two realms were only restricted for certain SPIRIT beings, initially. It became restricted to the man (and woman) when they were cast out of the spirit one for the physical one and kept from reentering the spirit one. Prior to that, all could go between the two... except Death.

    To hide it, all of seed was put in this Second Son, including the woman that would eventually come out of him. It was hidden... and protected from its enemies (even had a spirit being assigned to watch over and protect it)... awaiting fertilization and birth. Unfortunately, neither the spirit being nor the man proved loyal... and between the acts of the two, the man opened the way for those enemies to also come into the physical universe... to search for and destroy, if possible, the seed.

    He actually delivered up that seed... in a deal with Death. But the Most Holy One of Israel didn't allow that deal to go through, not without a fight. He gave the man a body of flesh... with its own blood (vs. His blood, holy spirit)... which body would hide the seed further; however, it would also make things harder for the seed because it was the body of a slave, not a free son, which the seed were supposed to be. Thus, the seed and the body it was now assigned to were at enmity. The spirit wants to be free to take on the status promised it: freedom as a son. The VESSEL, however, is loyal to the realm IT comes from... all of which life in it dies.

    Your vessel, then, is easily susceptible to termination and pitfalls... because it comes from and belongs to... and so will return to... the "universe" in which it originated. The physical universe in which all life eventually dies (for now). For those who are sons, however, the time will come when they put off the vessel that is restricted and subjected to the physical world and put on one that allows them in and out privileges as to both.

    There are two reasons why your peers who seek to control and kill you: either because you are one of them (i.e., there really is no honor among "thieves") or do so because... they have a different "mother" and "father" than you. What does this mean? That either their "father" and/or their "mother" is your enemy (and thus, so are they). If their mother is NOT Jerusalem Above (the spirit realm), who is she? The physical realm... which is quite violent, vicious, and predatory. If their father is NOT the Most Holy One of Israel... who is he? The spirit being Belial, known as "Satan" and "Devil," who is the chief agent of Death... and so more than willing to deliver you over TO Death.

    4. THE EARTH (HOME OF YOUR VESSEL) = Your vessel's home's functionality kills you because it takes back what belongs TO it. That is how it renews. The same is true of the spirit: it belongs to the spirit realm... and its energy "renews" her. Each want what belongs to it. And so that is how it is, for now. It will change when the two are brought back together (so that can exist in simultaneous manifestation because there will be no enemies to threaten the "treasure" - it will no longer need to be hidden). Then, the spirit realm will permeate the physical realm and engulf it. Flesh will no longer die, as the physical world will no longer need it, as it, too, will be "changed" so that ALL life continues perpetually. What will end is death, disease, aging, sickness, pain, sorrow, mourning, etc. Because flesh as we know it will be no more... because the physical realm as we know it will be no more.

    Other creatures live here... for the benefit of our flesh. They provide food, literally, as well as nutrients and soil components that allow our flesh to survive. They fortify the land, the water, the air (by means of providing nutrients, through their decomposing flesh, waste, breath, etc.). They do not object to this purpose... except to the extent we abuse it. True, like us, none of them WANT to die (generally, NO flesh wants to die!)... but unlike us they don't take issue with it: they understand their purpose. Now, that's not to say we haven't changed some of that purpose FOR them... for ourselves. For our entertainment as well as other unessential purposes (like looking good with their coat on our backs, even though the temperature never gets below 50 - know what I mean?).

    When the time comes that flesh is no longer dependent upon the sustenance provided by the physical world (food, water, air)... because of having been CHANGED (from a fleshly body to a spirit body), there will be no reason for them to die, either. And, in that light, to consume one another. The lion will eat straw just like the bull.

    Okay, not sure what's going on with the board - I think I've lost a paragraph. Anyway, I hope this helps (I think it does but would be more than happy to clarify anything, if need be).

    Again, peace to you!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    Shelby is your name right?

    Just got done reading your post. I know I have a lot to say on it, but I'll just start with a post of what comes to my mind right now.

    You have a truly amazing mind and I don't think you give youself 1/1000th of the credit you deserve. Don't deflect this complement: you are a shining beacon in this world.

    My gut tells me that you are telling the truth, but that doesn't mean you're right. I have been in deep contemplation of the Genesis Creation Account for over a year now and I am very convinced that it tells the story of how we began accurately. Not as a historical account because we just do not have the data available to know exactly what happened. Neither did the people, who figured out existence long ago, that wrote the Genesis Creation Story. Your testimony actually added many puzzle pieces to my collection and I thank you for that!

    According to your testimony, which allegedly comes directly from the spirit realm, all of this (human history) is a speed bump in God's plan, which doesn't sit well with me. Once you accept the provision of Jesus (which could have failed, right?) we merely live out the rest of our lives (dust we will return).

    What about after you and I are gone? My son will be there and so will your grandchildren (hopefully). Would you have them all wait out their lives too? What about their grandchildren? When does this cycle end? If Jesus' blood has saved us all why are we not in the Merger currently? Couldn't God take us all there right now? What are the obstacles?

    -Sab

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    Shelby is your name right?

    It is, dear Sab (and, again, peace to you!).

    You have a truly amazing mind and I don't think you give youself 1/1000th of the credit you deserve. Don't deflect this complement: you are a shining beacon in this world.

    Please understand: it truly is NOT my intent to minimize YOUR intent here. But there is no credit due me, dear one. Truly. I am being honest with you. It is not my mind that is amazing; it is the Most Holy One of Israel and His Son. If folks could just see... and hear... I dunno. Marvels. But we (mankind) COULD comprehend it... if we would become as little children... rather than trying to pursue "high" intellect. It just doesn't work that way. We can say we are humbled by the vastness and mystery of the universe. How much more so, then, should we be by the Maker and Former of it??

    Please understand: I cannot take credit for what is not mine. It would be like you telling me the story of your life... which story would be a No. 1 Bestseller... and me going of and presenting it as if it were my story. Dishonest, deceitful, and possibly plagerism.

    My gut tells me that you are telling the truth,

    Well, you know what they say about going with one's gut, yes? LOLOLOL!

    but that doesn't mean you're right.

    It doesn't, you're absolutely right. But please know that I'm not trying to BE right, dear Sab; I am simply trying to be kind, loving... and obedient. I am simply trying to share what my Lord has told me and shown me, and in doing so do what I would want someone to do for me: tell the TRUTH about God and Christ. For once. For a change. That really is it and all.

    I have been in deep contemplation of the Genesis Creation Account for over a year now and I am very convinced that it tells the story of how we began accurately.

    It does, dear Sab (again, peace to you!), but does not include a great deal of the details. For example, the impression given in the first chapter is that when light came forth, the sun came into existence. Yet, that did not occur until the third day. What, then, is the light that came into existence on the FIRST day? And what is the darkness for which a division was created? And, why wasn't the darkness spoken into existence (i.e., why didn't "God" say, "Let there be darkness")? The account, while virtually accurate, is fairly general with a great deal of info/detail left out. Why?

    Not as a historical account because we just do not have the data available to know exactly what happened.

    That's only partly true, dear one. We, mankind, do not have that data available, true. But there is One who does. And he isn't all that stingy with sharing, in my experience.

    Neither did the people, who figured out existence long ago, that wrote the Genesis Creation Story.

    Those who wrote of it didn't figure it out; they wrote what they were told, what they received, from the same source as I did. BTW, Joseph wrote the Genesis account, when he was in prison and living as Pharaoh's grandson in Egypt. What he wrote was kept with his bones and transported back to Canaan.

    Your testimony actually added many puzzle pieces to my collection and I thank you for that!

    You are QUITE welcome! I am very glad to have been of some service!

    According to your testimony, which allegedly comes directly from the spirit realm, all of this (human history) is a speed bump in God's plan, which doesn't sit well with me.

    I understand that, but I'm not sure that it actually WAS a speedbump. I cannot go into great detail as I only understand part of it myself, but I can say that if one understands that life... comes OUT of death... one might begin to understand. The same applies in this world: in order for a plant to live... the seed MUST die. In order for living things TO live... something MUST have died (to fertilize the ground so that food can be produced to sustain that living thing). That is how it is in this world... and I think it has some truth in that one, as well. Again, I cannot comment further because I only understand part of it. I will be more than happy to share the full truth of it, should it be made known to me. But, again, that really may be a place to START trying to understand WHY what occurred did.

    Once you accept the provision of Jesus (which could have failed, right?)

    It could have, absolutely, but only by HIS choice; not God's or anyone else's...

    we merely live out the rest of our lives (dust we will return).

    Not quite. Some will live out their lives, with their bodies returning to the dust. Most, in fact. And these ALL await a resurrection; however, there are six (6) potential outcomes:

    1. For those who have died when Christ returns, one of the two (2) resurrections:

    (a) Either in the first one, when Christ returns, and thus to spirit bodies and life (and this is a partial fulfillment of the "seed" being sowed and dying, so that the "plant" can be raised up)... or in the second resurrection, which occurs during the Judgment; or

    (b) In the second one, which occurs at least 1,000 years after his return. Those who participate in the second resurrection are either resurrected to life or judgment (and if to judgment, then to destruction, the second death).

    2. Some, however, will never die... because they are alive when Christ returns. These and make up one of 2 groups:

    (a) those who belong to Christ (his brothers, consisting of 144,000 "from among the sons of Israel" AND "a great crowd which no man could number") who have NOT died when he returns and so are changed (metamorphed) to spirit bodies ("white robes"/"white outer garments") at the same time as those in group 1 (the "first" resurrection) are raised up to receive spirit bodies; These join Christ and are "married" to him in the spirit realm, then return to rule over the physical realm and progress it to the caliber of the spirit realm; or .

    (b) those who do not belong to Christ, but are given spirit bodies (white robes) and granted entry to the kingdom due to their good deeds toward his brothers (some refer to these as the "Raptured"). These are the subjects of the rulership of Christ and his brothers. They are called "sheep", but are different from the little flock and "other sheep" that Christ referred to. (Note: there are different kinds of sheep.)

    3. Finally, some who do not belong to Christ will also be alive when he returns but are NOT given spirit bodies and thus are cut OFF from entry (because flesh with its blood cannot enter or inherit the kingdom). These are the goats, referred to in the Revelation as "Gog." They are destroyed, along with Magog (spirit beings awaiting destruction) at the battle in the "place" called "Har-Mageddon."

    What about after you and I are gone? My son will be there and so will your grandchildren (hopefully). Would you have them all wait out their lives too? What about their grandchildren?

    It is not what I would have them do: they have to decide for themselves. True, like all before me, my hope is that salvation and the first resurrection will occur in my lifetime. However, I do not serve with that in mind. I serve... because I love the One I am serving... and am learning to love those HE loves. Since God does not want ANY to die... my Lord does not want that, either. So, neither do I. If, then, it takes yet another 1,000 years.... or 10,000 years... so what? My dedication is not like a JWs... where I am "panting" to an end... and getting more and more irritated... and tired... when that "end" doesn't arrive.

    When does this cycle end?

    I'm thinking, when the cycle is completed... when all that needs to be done to allow its accomplished end, however long that takes? The wait is only long for those who grow tired, dear one. And it's easy to grow tired when you want your own suffering to end. One can gain a bit more energy, however, when one considers that... if things are allowed a little more time... perhaps not only one's children and grandchildren... but great granchildren... and great-great granchildren, who have not yet come into existence... might benefit from the blessing, as well.

    Personally, I'm really in no hurry. And I don't see how my life will change in the meantime. I have the freedom to live as I choose, love who I choose, and do what I choose as a livelihood. The Most Holy One of Israel is nowhere near as exacting as the religious... who place heavy burdens on people that they themselves cannot even carry... make Him out to be. He gave His Son so that I could BE free. What, then, is the big rush?

    If Jesus' blood has saved us all why are we not in the Merger currently?

    Not sure what you mean by "Merger", dear one...

    Couldn't God take us all there right now? What are the obstacles?

    Oh! Now, I understand! I asked that question, dear one... and the answer sobered me so that I never needed to ask it again: because all of the seed have not been born (into earthen vessels)... nor fertilized with holy spirit. You must remember: my Lord said he did not lose ONE. Not ONE... except the son of Destruction. If we were to be taken now... some seed would be lost. That cannot happen. And since such ones are our brothers, even if they are millenia younger than we... we shouldn't want it to.

    I hope this helps, dear Sab, truly.

    Again, peace to you!

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    Please understand: I cannot take credit for what is not mine.

    I think you are wrong and you have more involvement than you are aware of; I mean no disrespect, but I am convicted in that opinion.

    -Sab

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    I hope this helps, dear Sab, truly.

    It does.

    -Sab

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    Aguest

    Hmmmm... so it CAN happen... and DOES happen... to people under enormous stress... but just didn't happen to him. Because, of course, although he knew he was going to be impaled... alive... with nails driven through his limbs... and a spear thrust through his side... without anesthesia of any kind... by people he loved but who, in exchange, hated him... for no reason at all other than that he exposed their leaders... and worship... as false... that wasn't stressful enough. No, apparently he needed a little more stress than that.

    I agree with you. Do people really need to have it explained to them how horrendous this would have been. Jesus in his human body would have had all the same emotions as any other human. That is the point!! that is why he came to earth. That is the sacrifice he gave us!!! Yes he could have rescued himself, and his father could have to. But because he loved his father so much he made this sacrifice to save us.

    And how grateful are we? Well, we question in all our wisdom if he is good enough to be gods son because we question that this is what happened to him and why he would have been afraid. He had the fear even before they actually did anything because he knew what was going to happen. Not just the fear of the unknown, but the fear of the known. He even asked his father if it was possible to have this taken away. He knew he was going to experience it as a human.

    I don't know about anyone else here, but if I was going through this experience I sure as hell wouldn't appreciate people questioning how I reacted to it. Imagine how he must have felt when they were laughing at him on the cross. And some of us continue to laugh.........

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