NUKES: THE ULTIMATE WEAPON OF TERROR

by You Know 86 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  dubla

  yk-

  Simply rewording my post into a mockery doesn't qualify as anything other than childish ridicule.

  fair enough, but if you read the whole post from which youve cut and pasted this, youll see that im referring to your behavior as a whole, not simply this specific instance. ill show proof of it here in a sec....

  . I am always happy to entertain serious questions and issues.

  why dont you word it how you really mean it........you are happy to entertain serious questions and issues when you feel like it, or when you are able. you are not always able as you would have us believe. if you, or anyone else would like a prime example of this, heres a good link....thread started by you, valid arguments raised, lots of ignores....... >>> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=20761&site=3

  this is one SMALL example....but again, those of us who know you are already used to this tactic, and accept it for what it is.

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  dubla

  yk-

  Hey, that's about all you have. Consider it a gimme. In the end it won't matter when exactly it comes down, only that it will. Then you will be the object of your own ridicule. That's how it works. / You Know

  simple question, which i already asked once, if it doesnt matter WHEN, then why do you even try to predict it? besides detracting from your already nonexistant credibility, what purpose does this serve?

  as far as the "ridicule" part goes, me commenting on your failed predictions was not ridicule, it was simple facts. im just curious as why you continue to do it, and why you will never face up to it after the fact, thats all.

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  You Know

  Joelbear says:

  Fear is not the way to get people to have love for God. Saving yourself should not be the issue when deciding to have a relationship with God.

  You are wrong. Fear of Jehovah is absolutely essential. The reason the world is in the mess its in is because people don't fear God. Do you think people are not going to be absolutely terrified when the tribulation erupts? Jesus foretold that men are going to be faint with fear. But not apostates, right? You can face nuclear war and biological pestilence, and financial collapse with full confidence that you can talk your way out of anything. I wish you the best of luck. An interesting verse in that connection is Psalms 9:20, which reads: "Do put fear into them, O Jehovah, that the nations may know that they are but mortal men."

  As far as saving oneself, that's absolutely proper as well. One cannot have a relationship with a deity who describes himself as the Savior without acknowledging our need for salvation. Jehovah in fact invites his loyal ones to call upon him for salvation, saying at Psalms 50:15 "And call upon me in the day of distress. I shall rescue you, and you will glorify me."

  /You Know
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  You Know

  Englishmuffin asks:

  Here's a challenge for You Know. He mentioned some "Trivial mistakes". Has he got the courage to tell us what these "Trivial mistakes" were exactly?

  They are trivial only in the face of Jehovah's awesome judgment. Obviously if you are one who has been stumbled by various things, whether Watchtower teachings or unchristian behavior on the part of brothers on a congregational level, then those things are monumental to that person. But, from God's standpoint all human thought is less than a mere exhalation of vapor. So when you get right down to it, does it really matter if Rutherford thought that Jehovah lived in the Pleadies constellation or if the Watchtower was an NGO? In the end all that will matter is whether a person has faith in Jehovah's saving power. That is what will ultimately tell the tale.

  Can he say what should have happened, so that these mistakes could have been avoided?

  No. Jesus said that causes for stumbling were inevitable. Also, James wrote that not many should be teachers because they will recieve a heavier judgment because we all stumble many times. I certainly don't claim to have the wisdom to avoid making mistakes. Apparently, though, apostates do.

  Has the WTBTS got it together now, is what they are preaching correct now?

  No. But, they have instilled genuine faith in many and they have prepared a people for God's inspection and correction. That's all they were supposed to do is impart a faith that will be able to stand up the the fiery trials of Judgment Day. Part of the final test will revolve around remaining loyal during the punishment phase.

  Can we be confident now that this is God's visible earthly organisation?

  I certainly am confident that I possess the true faith, but as the Scriptures note, and so too it is obvious, that "faith is not a possession of all people." / You Know
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  logical
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  Seeker

  Abaddon,

  Thank you. I was wondering when someone was going to point out You Know's error on his backpack nuke scenario. Just as You Know doesn't understand finance, and thus keeps thinking every blip is going to crash the entire system any day now (and has thought this for half-a-decade of ever anticipatory salivation), he also doesn't understand nuclear technology. What Abaddon said is right, a backpack nuke would take out a few city blocks, but no more. New York City would not disappear under a mushroom cloud. What would happen is that a few blocks would be destroyed, and perhaps thousands of persons would die, bad enough but not what You Know envisions. In other words, it would be just like the WTC disaster again -- and we saw that this did not bring down the financial system even in the slightest.

  You Know got his Y2K prediction wrong, for it hardly caused a blip anywhere.

  You Know got his August prediction about the financial system wrong, for it did not go into meltdown mode.

  You Know got his Central Bank argument wrong, for they did not keep reducing interest rates to zero but just said they are done lowering interest rates (You Know is a near-perfect contraraian indicator. If you want to make money, bet the exact opposite of what You Know says).

  You Know got his scare-mongering backpack nuke scenario wrong, it could happen but it won't lead to the kind of destruction he thinks.

  Folks, he gets everything wrong. It's 2002, and he said he would give up the JWs if the end hadn't come by 2001. He got that wrong too.
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  You Know

  SNEEKER says:

  What Abaddon said is right, a backpack nuke would take out a few city blocks, but no more.

  Where did I ever say that a backpack nuke would take out a whole city? I said no such thing. I am well aware that tactical nuclear weapons were designed to be used on a battfield with the intended purpose of limiting the devastation to a relatively small area. Of course, if such a weapon were detonated in a city it would leave a radioactive ash at ground zero for many years. But, there can be little question but that the terror created by such a weapon would be far greater than the use of conventional bombs. Too, it depends on where such a bomb is detonated. If for example a backpack nuke is set off in front of the White House that would certainly create a little concern. One fear is that terrorists could import nuclear weapons in container ships, or crude oil containers, and then set them off when the ship comes into harbor. If such a thing occurs, even if the damage was relatively confined, it would shut down world trade.

  The point is, because of the complexity, the system upon which people depend for life is very fragile and completely vulnerable to collapse. There are any number of scenarios that can bring about a global collapse. In the history of the world it has never been possible for an entire system to be plunged into a death-dealing crisis instantaneously, until quite recently. The ridiculer of course, in his smug stupidity, is sure that no such collapse of civilization will ever occur. And even if it does it will not be because Jehovah foretold it. / You Know
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  dubla

  yk-

  But, there can be little question but that the terror created by such a weapon would be far greater than the use of conventional bombs.

  the terror is already here....you put way too much emphasis on this nuclear possibility. they have already played out extensive nuclear scenarios on all the major news networks, and the fact is that no matter terrible and devastating this would be to americans.....americans are ready for it, if not expecting it. any financial wizard (such as yourself) knows that all expected calamaties are already factored into the current market values.

  One fear is that terrorists could import nuclear weapons in container ships, or crude oil containers, and then set them off when the ship comes into harbor. If such a thing occurs, even if the damage was relatively confined, it would shut down world trade.

  oh it would shut down world trade....right...because we only have one harbor for imports in the entire u.s. LOL. it would shut down nothing, your blubberings have no end. if you mean to insinuate that it would shut down world trade for the fear of more attacks, i think the thousands of airplanes in the air right now shoot down that line of reasoning. attacks such as these would only strengthen our resolve to continue on, just as the last one did.

  The ridiculer of course, in his smug stupidity, is sure that no such collapse of civilization will ever occur.

  i dont think that, not in the least bit. you always assume to know what everyone on this forum believes.....your arrogance has no bounds. im sure such a collapse of civilization will in fact occur, but it wont be in our lifetime.

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  logical

  what happened to the good news of the kingdom?
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  You Know

  what happened to the good news of the kingdom?

  It is still there. The good news is that the present system is ending. That was a fairly prominent part of Christ's teaching, so much so that his disciples went so far as to ask him when the system was going to end. Obviously, though, that's not considered good news by the sons of this system who love the Devil's world, and especially apostate JW's, who have given up their inheritence for a bowl of Ray Franz's proverbial lentil soup, but for those who want God to rule the world, the immenince of the end of this system is positively exciting. / You Know