NUKES: THE ULTIMATE WEAPON OF TERROR

by You Know 86 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Abaddon

  You Wrong!

  "I am well aware that tactical nuclear weapons were designed to be used on a battfield with the intended purpose of limiting the devastation to a relatively small area."

  Hey, you seem to think of backpack nukes as some kind of fission handgrenade. Pull pin, throw, shrug shoulders, count to four, be reduced to component molecules.

  Much as we would all be amused watching you demonstrating such a device's use (from a suitable distance on a big videoscreen), that ain't quite like it is.

  They are nuclear demolition charges, as they are put in place by a man. They might be used tactically, but again, You Wrong!

  A typical tactical nuke would be far larger; 10's of Kt, maybe 100's.

  So a backpack nuke is way little.

  I am rather surprised, considering the utter hogwash you put out, that you haven't tried alleging that the City of London bomb was a backpack nuke (there are people that do), or that the US warship rammed by a boat packed with TNT (the Cole?) was in fact hit by an Israeli air-sea missile with a micro nuke warhead (there are people that do).

  In fact, given your level of credulity, I think you would have had you read the websites.

  Bugger off and read Jane's and come back when you're worth arguing with.

  People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...
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  You Know

  americans are ready for it, if not expecting it.

  You have got to be kidding me? Just how do you imagine that Americans are ready for a nuke to go off in their backyard? Most people I know are too terrified by the mere thought to even go there. Your big talk is nothing but whistling in the dark and you know it.

  oh it would shut down world trade....right...because we only have one harbor for imports in the entire u.s. LOL

  Jehovah's rhetorical question to the ridiculer certainly applies to you, where he said: "How long will you stupid ones keep hating knowledge." You pretend to know how the world would respond to a nuclear attack. You don't. You don't even have a clue. In your stupidity you imagine that if one harbor were nuked that business would just carry on in normal fashion. That is truly laughable. For those who haven't taken leave of their senses, all one needs to do is look at how 9-11 impacted the airline industry. If a container ship were used to carry and detonate a nuke in a U.S. habor facility, then no container ship would be allowed in any port anywhere without being throughly searched. Do you have any clue what an impossible task that would be? I doubt it. There are millions of containers entering the U.S. every year. It would require an army to search every vessel. It would for certain bring world trade to a screeching halt.

  i dont think that, not in the least bit. you always assume to know what everyone on this forum believes

  Okay, so then you believe that the system is doomed after all? You don't know what you believe, do you? I think you probably suspect that you are in way over your head with this apostate thing and it's got you really scared. And you imagine that if you can just somehow manage to get the best of YK then everything will be all right. I can tell you now, in all humility: It ain't gonna happen. LOL / You Know
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  You Know

  Bugger off and read Jane's and come back when you're worth arguing with.

  So why are you bothering to argue about the size of nuclear weapons? You really have no argument any way, it's just a way of creating a diversion. You are full of the proverbial male bovine manure. / You Know
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  joelbear

  You Know,

  I agree that the Bible promotes fear. Especially the Hebrew Scriptures. The Jews were very happy to promote themselves as the chosen ones.

  Lots of people love to think they are in God's special protected class. Makes them all warm and fuzzy.

  I disagree with this sentiment. It is the love of God and goodness that is powerful in producing individual life change and change for humanity.

  Fear is always used, not as a way of coming closer to God, but to get people to join a group.

  Joel
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  dubla

  yk-

  sigh, more blubberings.....

  ? Just how do you imagine that Americans are ready for a nuke to go off in their backyard?

  the same as they are ready for and expecting a biological attack (much bigger than the antrhax mailings). anticipating an attack doesnt mean it will have no affect. of course it will have an affect on our livelihood, just as 9/11 did. the fact is though, 9/11 opened everyones eyes, and nothing will surprise anyone now. when, not if, the next attack happens, we will deal with it and move on, just as we have with 9/11.

  In your stupidity you imagine that if one harbor were nuked that business would just carry on in normal fashion.

  youve misquoted me, yet again. go back and read my post, and youll see i said nothing of the sort. what i did say is that world trade would not completely shut down.

  For those who haven't taken leave of their senses, all one needs to do is look at how 9-11 impacted the airline industry.

  funny that you used the same example i used to defend my statement. youve only proven my point with this quote.......has the airline industry completely shut down? hmmm......my sister just got off a plane two weeks ago.......she didnt even encounter any long security delays, business as usual. again, of course such an attack would have a severe affect, for a short time, but we would deal with it, and move on.

  Okay, so then you believe that the system is doomed after all?

  you really pay no attention to what anyone on this forum actually believes, do you? you view us all as apostates, and the rest is irrelevant. ive expressed to you in the past that indeed i believe the human race to be doomed, as there is much scientific evidence to back up the near fact that man will eventually destroy himself.

  You don't know what you believe, do you?

  i have always expressed my beliefs to you, and they have not changed since day one. if its really of interest to you, go back and check the wager thread, where i originally expressed my view that humankind would eventually destroy itself.

  I think you probably suspect that you are in way over your head with this apostate thing and it's got you really scared.

  personally i dont even consider myself an "apostate"....thats a label youve put on everyone in this forum; no doubt you cannot break from the labeling mindset engrained in you by the wt.

  And you imagine that if you can just somehow manage to get the best of YK then everything will be all right.

  are you flattering yourself again? lol. actually there is no need for this, for you get the best of yourself on a regular basis with your insane ravings that are always proven wrong by the simple course of time.

  aa
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  You Know

  Fear is always used, not as a way of coming closer to God, but to get people to join a group.

  And that's not a bad thing if the group is God's people. The fear of Jehovah is a good thing. It is a protection. The Proverbs say that the "fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom." Conversely, that means that it is foolish not to fear God. Actaully, Christ Jesus is spoken of in several places in Scripture as a man who feared Jehovah. For example Hebrews 5:7 says: "In the days of his flesh Christ offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear." In other words Jesus asked God to save him, something that you imagine to be unseemly.

  It is possible then to both love and fear God. You can't have one to the exclusion of the other. Isn't it possible that you simply don't know Jehovah? / You Know
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  You Know

  Dubula:

  you really pay no attention to what anyone on this forum actually believes, do you?

  BINGO! You are spot on man! I couldn't care less about your personal life or what you believe. Whereas, on the other hand, you and several other posters appear to be absolutely obsessed with me, almost to the point of being some sort of cyber stalker. Tell me, do you participate in this forum on any threads other than mine? If you think I am insane why are you so obsessed with me? My advice to you is to get a life while there's still time. / You Know
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  GinnyTosken

  It is possible then to both love and fear God. You can't have one to the exclusion of the other. Isn't it possible that you simply don't know Jehovah? / You Know

  I'm really confused now. Your idea doesn't seem very scriptural to me, YouKnow.

  "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear; for fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not reached perfection in love." (1 John 4:18)

  Ginny
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  logical

  Godly fear and fear of nuclear weapons are totally different things. Godly fear and fear of what MAN TELLS YOU GOD WILL DO TO YOU are totally different things.
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  You Know

  Ginny says:

  I'm really confused now. Your idea doesn't seem very scriptural to me, YouKnow.

  Okay, I'll walk you through this. Its always a joy to solve a paradox. In fact, there can be no depth of understanding with out reconciling seeming contradictions and difficulties. Psalms 19:9 says straight out that " The fear of Jehovah is pure, standing forever." So, in what sense does love cast fear out? Since the fear of God is pure and will endure forever, the fear that is thrown aside by perfect love must not be the same fear of Jehovah that stands forever. So what fear is it?

  As John noted in verse 17, the perfected love of God will allow the individual to approach God in the day of judgment. Paul mentioned that anointed Christians had approached a heavenly Mount Zion and he advised them not to beg off from God's inspection. In such situations humans become acutely aware of how fraile and transparent we are. So, the prospect of being confronted with God's awesome majesty can be overwhelming.

  I am reminded of Daniel's close encounter with a heavenly creature, and he described the experience he went through as causing him to fall into a trembling lifeless heap. He was rendered speechless and said that his dignity had left him. And, what is especially humbling is that that wasn't even God but merely an angel. So, there's no question but that tiny little humans, who are less substantial before God as wet tissue paper, would naturally tend to beg off standing before such a fear-inspiring being as the great God Jehovah. Remember Ginny, that the Scriptures say that even the demons shudder with fear at the mere thought of God's judgment upon them.

  But, because God is love, and he doesn't want to terrorize those made in his image, but wants them to know him on the same level as Christ now knows him, it is possible to approach God, even to the point of literally standing before him without being terrifed. That is the case with those who have their love for God perfected.

  Just imagine if you were in a cage with a lion and he was circling around you. Naturally, because you would be aware of your own vulnerablitiy before its powerful claws, you would feel a bit uneasy, no doubt. You might even be gripped with uncontrolable shivering, and more than likely you would want to get out of there as soon as you could. But, on the other hand, people who KNOW lions and know how to deal with them are not terrified of the beasts, and while they would have a healthy respect for the creature their fear would not dominate them.

  So, in a way, that can illustrate what we are talking about here. Anointed Christians have been called to stand before the person of Jehovah, quite literally, ultimatately. And they naturally fear Jehovah, knowing as they do that God is by his very nature an absolutely awesome and fear-inspiring being. And too, because of our many sins and evils commited over a lifetime we might feel a bit of unease and self-concious, to say the least. But, because, by the time their love is perfected, at the coming of Christ, they will have come to know and love God to such an extent that their natural fear of him does not cause them to beg off from approaching him. Love and fear then each serve their purpose. But love is the greatest as it overcomes all. / You Know