NUKES: THE ULTIMATE WEAPON OF TERROR

by You Know 86 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

refiners fire

Whens the last time anyone heard talk about nuclear threat?
Not for a good while.
The focus isnt upon Nukes as the ultimate terror anymore.
Now everyones thinking: "Biological weapons" Disease being unleashed.
Thats where the focus is in the paranoid groups now.
You Know

The focus isnt upon Nukes as the ultimate terror anymore.
Okay, whatever. I would imagine that if the nations really get after one another they will use everything they have, nukes, chemical, biologic, conventional. It is interesting that several prophecies mention Jehovah entering into judgment with the nations by means of pestilence. So, that may well be how that comes about through some insane human acgency releasing smallpox or something like that. The point is, any number of things can bring the system down. That's of course what the ridiculers of Jehovah's judgments have willfully blinded themselve to.
Whens the last time anyone heard talk about nuclear threat?
Click Here >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1641000/1641042.stm
/ You Know
GinnyTosken

YouKnow,
Boy, you ARE confused! First, if there is any nuking it ain't gonna be Jehovah's doing. Simply because God foresaw this world's undoing doesn't mean he is going to cause it. But, as far as having love sufficent to cast fear aside, that really shouldn't be an issue with any of you unless you are anointed. Do you now have the heavenly calling? / You Know
I meant "nuked" in a figurative sense. I'll rephrase the question:
So, YouKnow, what kind of fear do you want the people on this board to have? Do you want them to serve Jehovah because they are afraid of being destroyed? Or do you want them to know, love, and have a healthy respect for "the beast" so that they are not terrified?
How exactly does this "perfect love" stuff work anyway, YouKnow? Only anointed ones will have perfect love, the kind that casts fear aside? Does that mean those of the earthly hope will never perfect their love for Jehovah, even if they become perfect in other ways? Does this mean that even after earthly ones have attained perfection and all fear of punishment is gone, they will still fear and have an imperfect love for Jehovah?
"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear; for fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not reached perfection in love."
Ginny
OUTLAW

Hey dubla and larc,you guys are very patient with YK.I doubt you`ll get through to him.He lives in a fantasy world,he will not let you confuse the issue with facts,hard earned experience or intellegent conversation.If you want to get his attention show him something shiny.(LOL)If your looking for any more than that you will be disappointed.He reminds me of a monkey at the zoo,tossing his own shit at the other monkeys.He is truley a legend in his own mind,what evers left of it..LOL...OUTLAW
You Know

GT
So, YouKnow, what kind of fear do you want the people on this board to have?
Isaiah 66:2 says that Jehovah looks favorably upon the afflicted one and the one trembling at His word. So that's the basis for fearing God, his word. I don't fear a nuclear war or whatever, but I do fear God's word that calls for cataclysmic events to come upon this system of things.
How exactly does this "perfect love" stuff work anyway, YouKnow? Only anointed ones will have perfect love, the kind that casts fear aside?
Yes, strictly speaking, because only they are chosen to approach Jehovah. John's letter was addressed to anointed ones. Futhermore, Paul spoke about the congregation of Christ eventually attaining perfection so as to exactly mirror the face of Christ. That doesn't really apply to the so-called other sheep.
Does that mean those of the earthly hope will never perfect their love for Jehovah, even if they become perfect in other ways?
No. Those who live on the earth forever will eventually love God completely too, but perhaps not to the extent of those who are spirits and who see God face-to-face and who commune with him directly. How could it be otherwise? It is interesting that Jesus said that no one knew and loved the Father like him. That means that even the angels, who are also perfect, yet, even in that, their relationship is not on the same level as the Only Begotton Son of Jehovah. The 144,000 are designated by God's purpose to have that very same relationship with the Father that Christ has. So in that respect their love is perfected to a superlative degree. (It is not often that I get to use a word like "superlative.") It is just that the anointed are called to physically stand before Jehovah, something that no human could ever do. So it is in the process of being called and chosen and being refined to finally be presented before God that those anointed ones must overthrow the fear that might otherwise cause them to beg off of that course and calling.
Does this mean that even after earthly ones have attained perfection and all fear of punishment is gone, they will still fear and have an imperfect love for Jehovah?
One of the definitions of the fear of God states that the "fear of Jehovah means the hating of what is bad." In this system we are virtually surrounded by what is bad. It dwells in us and society is steeped in wickedness. So those who fear God have their hands full trying to keep themselves from getting taken in by the evil around them. It stands to reason that in paradise, where sinful human nature is tamed and the present evils will not exist to constantly tempt us, that fear of God will not be so difficult. But, as the Psalm says that I previously cited, "the fear of Jehovah is pure standing forever." So it will always be appropriate that the creature recognize his Creator and hold him in awe. / You Know
Englishman

The trouble with YK and indeed, others of a similar ilk, is that they all fall prey to the same specious reasoning, which is, ie, when things go wrong, this makes them right.
Englishman.
Truth exists;only falsehood has to be invented. -Georges Braque
Seeker

You Know,
Where did I ever say that a backpack nuke would take out a whole city? I said no such thing.
Of course not, you have learned your deception well from the WTS and you use it to perfection. What you said is this:
If you thought the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks were a shocker just consider the terror that would be evoked by the ominous mushroom cloud!
Backpack nukes don't give off mushroom clouds. The image you deceptively used was the one familiar to your readers, that of the military nuclear weapons that have been detonated in history. So you didn't actually say that a backpack nuke would take out a whole city, but you used imagery that would let your readers think that would be the outcome. As I said, the WTS uses this form of lying quite well, and you have learned your lessons.
But you certainly provided your own epitaph: SNEEKER It fits you perfectly, so I'm not surprised this word is in your heart so often.
I am well aware that tactical nuclear weapons were designed to be used on a battfield with the intended purpose of limiting the devastation to a relatively small area.
Indeed, but here again we aren't talking about tactical nuclear weapons, but backpack nukes. It is clear your knowledge of nuclear weaponry is as shallow as your knowledge of finance.
larc

Brother You Know,
You asserted that back in early JW times, they did not have "a real deep understanding". Nor did they understand the "deep prophetic aspects." Well, by golly, they sure thought they did, just like you do now.
You also asserted that the world back in early JW history could not "collapse into the grip of fear." Why sure they could have. In a 30 year period, starting with WWI, they had the following: WWI, Spanish Influenca, The Great Depression, and WWII. Because we have less devastation in the last 60 years, the average life span has gone up by 5 full years. Sorry, I hate confuse you with facts.
GinnyTosken

YouKnow,
Isaiah 66:2 says that Jehovah looks favorably upon the afflicted one and the one trembling at His word. So that's the basis for fearing God, his word. I don't fear a nuclear war or whatever, but I do fear God's word that calls for cataclysmic events to come upon this system of things.
Let me see if I've got this straight. You don't actually fear Jehovah; you fear and tremble at his word because it says scary things are going to happen to some people. You Know, come to think of it, I don't actually fear terrorist organizations; I fear and tremble at the messages they send that say scary things are going to happen to some people.
BTW, do you think Jehovah used terrorist tactics to persuade Pharoah?
"Terrorism Strikes Egypt"
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=19931&site=3#246921
I have never seen such fine examples of doubletalk as what follows, YouKnow. Well, maybe in Watchtower literature.
Question: Only anointed ones will have perfect love, the kind that casts fear aside?
Yes, strictly speaking, because only they are chosen to approach Jehovah.
Question: Does that mean those of the earthly hope will never perfect their love for Jehovah, even if they become perfect in other ways?
No. Those who live on the earth forever will eventually love God completely too, but perhaps not to the extent of those who are spirits and who see God face-to-face and who commune with him directly.
Both anointed ones and those with the earthly hope will eventually perfect their love, but some love is more perfect than others.
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." --Napoleon the pig in George Orwell's Animal Farm

So in that respect their love is perfected to a superlative degree. (It is not often that I get to use a word like "superlative.")
Yes. And you use it in a way that completely negates the meaning of the word "perfect."
perfect
1 a : being entirely without fault or defect : FLAWLESS <a perfect diamond>
3 a : PURE, TOTAL b : lacking in no essential detail : COMPLETE
I hate to break it to you, YouKnow, but either something is perfect or it is not. Perfection is not a matter of degrees.
Question: Does this mean that even after earthly ones have attained perfection and all fear of punishment is gone, they will still fear and have an imperfect love for Jehovah?
One of the definitions of the fear of God states that the "fear of Jehovah means the hating of what is bad." . . . It stands to reason that in paradise, where sinful human nature is tamed and the present evils will not exist to constantly tempt us, that fear of God will not be so difficult.
If fear of Jehovah means hating of what is bad, and if in paradise earth all people are eventually perfect, it stands to reason that there would be no bad left to hate, and thus no fear of Jehovah.
But, as the Psalm says that I previously cited, "the fear of Jehovah is pure standing forever." So it will always be appropriate that the creature recognize his Creator and hold him in awe.
Maybe "fear" and "pure" and "forever" are like that perfection stuff, YouKnow--it's all relative and a matter of degrees.
Ginny
"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear; for fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not reached perfection in love."
ElijahTheThird

Besides nuclear bombs, we can even call fire down out of the very heavens. Space launched weapons. But we still can't defend our own planet! Man was stopped from going to the heavens (stars) once before at the Tower of Babel.
The preservation of the human race makes it IMPARITIVE we get off this planet and into space! But will that be allowed?
I'll make this another thread and add more.
Norval

NUKES: THE ULTIMATE WEAPON OF TERROR

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