You Know - Your Wrong

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You Know

History is NOT at any great turning point. There is NO evidence that human history has had ANY great turning points. The mistake history buffs make is to thinkn of history like it all happened at one ... but taken over "real" time, humanity have changed very slowly.
There have been many fulcrums upon which history pivots. While it is evident that civilizations do evolve over time, there are also strategic turning points when empires collapse. The sudden fall of ancient Babylon was one such unique event that forever changed the course of history.
Two mutually antagonistic political systems are NOT lining up for a final winner-takes-all showdown. many in the Towel-Head culture (no disrespect intended) are stuck in a time warp of about 2000 years ago. These are just growing pains that are going on within their own nations ... and unfortunately a few left-winged nuts found themselves inside airplanes.
You are wrong. Both present day political scientists, and ancient prophets inspired by Jehovah God, point to just such a showdown. It is not my intention to give you an education in Bible prophecy, for the simple fact that you are uneducable, but I will refer you to the works of an influential figure among the Anglo-American policy making circle who believes that a clash of civilization is not only inevitable, but that it is advisable.
>> http://www.alamut.com/subj/economics/misc/clash.html
They have NOT been at odds for several hundred years. Humanity has been at odds since the beginning of civilization, whether you accept scientific evidence dating back hundreds of thousands of years, or you simply stop at Cain and Able. God created Humans in His image, and look at what we have become!
Humanity has been at war since the beginning. But, the human system of things has become increasingly complex. As the patriarchal tribal system gave way to more sophisticated arrangements the empire had for millennia been the primary institution that has ruled mankind. The nation-state system has not existed for thousands of years as you mistakenly imagine. The modern nation state came out of the renaissance period as an alternative to the feudalistic form of empire that dominated Europe, which they acquired from the Roman imperial model. Those two forms of government are what have shaped the political struggle for the last 500 years.
Iran has been the big Nuke buyer from the defunct Soviet Union for years. They are the main meance followed by Iraq. Pakistan and India are not that stupid to set off nukes.
You don't know how the Devil's world works. Of course no one wants to go war using nuclear weapons. Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) was the Cold War policy between the USSR & the USA that presumably prevented a nuclear holocaust from taking place. But, the situation between India and Pakistan is much different. Those nations don't have the nuclear capability of touching the West. They can only blow each other up. But, the danger is that once you get two nations provoked into a standoff that then they become vulnerable to sabotage by outside agents provocateurs. I recommend seeing the goofy yet poignant movie Time Bandits. The last scene has the good guys assaulting the Devil's fortress of ultimate darkness only to have the Big D take control of their weapons and turn them on each other. One line goes: "Hey, we don't have control any more!" To which the Devil responds: "Of course not you silly little man. I DO!"
The truth is that there are very powerful forces within the Anglo-American ruling powers who want very much to set off a nuclear conflagration, just not in their own backyard. They want to re-establish the empire and crush the independent nation state system once and for all. Bush's recent speech where he named Iran, Iraq, and North Korea, as the new Axis of Evil is analogous to a fighter pilot focusing a laser on the next target to be struck with a laser guided bomb. The defense minister of Russia today issued America a warning that they would no tolerate the U.S. attacking those countries. So, whether you realize it or not, the players are most definitely lining up for WWIII.
BUT ... the terrorists did the west a BIG favor by hurting us as much as they on 9/11 ... they gave the west justified reason to go in and take take nukes away from Iraq and Iran ... maybe take away their oil for a while to pay for damages ... and while we are at it, bring them into the 21 Century.
Again, you are ignorant of reality. While it is true that Afghanistan is a primitive land ruled by tribalism, India, Pakistan, and Iran, as well as Iraq, are very much modern nations. India, for example, has the largest middle class of any nation on earth. Contrary to Western propaganda, Iran is a very complex and progressive society as well. Those nations are not anti-American, or at least they weren't, until recently they have been targeted by America for destruction. Furthermore, those terrorists that attacked the United States were not attacking in behalf of those nations. Even CNN reported that the Mujahidin was organized and armed by the US and British intelligence during the Soviet Afganhi war, and there is no indication that they still do not receive their marching orders from Western intelligence. Flag waving Americans are too arrogant and much too fat and stupid to realize that they are the victims of a massive and diabolic brainwashing operation.
You said, "And, as Jehovah’s premier prophet, Christ said that the entire world would suddenly, instantaneously, be gripped by a fear that would literally make men faint and that a situation would arise from which there was no human solution." Where did Jesus say those exact words? Well ... nowhere? They are your summary of his words? No ... they are what you read into his words.
Your ignorance of current affairs and history is matched by biblical illiteracy as well. In the 21st chapter of Luke Jesus said: "While men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken."
Satan the Devil does NOT have at his disposal the means to provoke WWIII. Satan is the "Weakest" link ... in our Tribal past ... a fantasy like a Reverse Santa Clause ... the notions of a Devil will pass with educaton. Pointing to Satan is an EXCUSE to given up taking responsibility for ourselves as humans.
Jehovah and Christ disagree with you and I believe them, not your opinions. You are simply a fleshly minded individual that, because of your own haughtiness and lack of spiritual intelligence, has allowed yourself to be blinded to the point that you are oblivious to your own pathetic spiritual condition.
This is why the rationale of the apostasy is NOT so mind-numbingly stupid. The world is NOT in any worse mess at the present moment. It is different, but very much the same. In spite of some problems, the planet has grown and gotten much better.
That’s ridiculous. You are just whistling in the dark. The world is facing its most perilous hour.
You said The first thing that will happen is that the financial system will simply vaporize.
Why do you keep insisting on this? For nearly 18 months now you and I have argued about financial systems. Look at the evidence. 9/11 with the WTC and Pentagon attacks and the President flying around on High Alert! caused serious concern. WWI and WWII caused some real serious concern. Financial markets always flip=flop when times become uncertain. It is not a new thing. The USA did quite well in spite of 9/11.
Primarily, the reason I am aware of an impending financial meltdown is what I read in prophecy. There is a considerable portion of prophecy that Jehovah has held in reserve, which the Watchtower has never understood, and hence never clearly explained to you so that you might understand it. Like Jesus, I praise Jehovah for hiding these things in his word. So, while I would never share my private spiritual treasures with you, I will point out how many current analysts recognize the terminal nature of the present system. Since, from my standpoint the future is determined by Jehovah’s every utterance and can be verified by projecting current trends and the observations of astute observers. Again, you are simply massively ignorant of how the modern financial system works. None of you have the slightest clue about how the present electronic global financial system works. And you are like so many millions of deluded people that don’t want to know. For your information, the system is bankrupt, pure and simple. You will be hearing a bit more about this in the next few weeks as the Japanese banks have to report their earnings, or lack there of.
>> http://finance.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,3734542%255E521,00.html
As honest observers will admit I have always backed up my assertions with numerous links to various analysts and observers. Usually the ridiculers causually dismiss such as being biased contrarians. However, such is not the case. There are those who are very much apart of the Wall Street establishment who are cognizant of the systemic dangers. Here is a link to one such. >> http://www.morganstanley.com/GEFdata/digests/latest-digest.html#anchor2
Your past arguments have always made it appear that nations are on the edge such that any little thing would send them over the edge ... when in fact, even as serious as 9/11 was, the systems reacted quite well
The system dodged a bullet that’s a fact. It seems to me that they needed just such an excuse to open the money spigots back in September when the financial system was really showing signs of stress. So under the pretext of national emergency they did the only thing they know how to do, and that is print more money. And that’s what they did, that’s what they did with Y2K, that’s all they can do short of declaring the system insolvent. But, so, they staved off the inevitable blowout for a little while longer. As most people are realizing now, though, the central banks are about out of tricks. You will see soon enough where all this is leading. My expectations are that they will not let the system blow out though, but that the Anglo-American oligarchy will initiate global war and then the financial system will go---when the powers of the heaven are shaken by the tumult. / You Know
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You Know,
You should stop bumping this to the top. It says, after all "You Know-Your Wrong"
Are you trying to point your wrong out to everyone on this d.b.?
cellomould
"In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ
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You Know, we've never chatted before, but I want to know how you explain why the world is a better place now - than it has ever been?
You Know

You Know, we've never chatted before, but I want to know how you explain why the world is a better place now - than it has ever been?
I didn't say that the world was a better place now than it ever has been. Amazing said that. I responded that his opinion was ridiculous that the world was facing its most perilious hour. / You Know
You Know

Lark says:
I don't know if you read it, but I started a post called, "Bad news for Know." On it I chided You Know regarding his failed prophecy (the last of many). Of course, he was compelled to respond with the triple curve theory. I pointed out with over 30+ posts with facts that our productivity has doubled in the last 40 years. It has not been cut in half, as he asserts.
It is not uncommon for posters to pretend that they were right after the posts have scrolled off the board. In view of your implying that your "Bad News for YK" post was anything but nonsense this redux should serve as a refresher:
LARK says:
Your essay is full of generalities, half truths and down right misinformation. You craft words to minimize advancement and preach doom and gloom.
I didn’t know that my homework assignment required that I give a detailed analysis and bibliography? First off, though, let me apologize for ignoring your posts. I at times ignore posters who are little more than bothersome ankle-biters, but you went to a lot of trouble to respond and I appreciate that.
LARK says:
You state that "some" aspects of our lives are better, and "some" aspects of science have been transferred to everyday life. You should substitute the word "major" for "some" in those statements. That would more accurately capture reality.
Okay, sure, whatever.
LARK says:
You talk about the problems during the Nixon era, yet you fail to notice that the problems of inflation and high gas prices have disappeared since then.
No, those problems haven’t disappeared entirely, they have only transformed into other less recognizable manifestations. Instead of consumer price inflation, which is the typical measure of monetary excess, there is real estate and equity price inflation. Most people don’t really think of rising stock prices in terms of inflation, but that’s exactly what it is. It is not uncommon for shares of companies to be inflated 100 times over projected earnings. Of course this is justified in numerous ways, but the mechanics are the same: A dollar, or whatever, buys less whether it’s a gallon of milk or a gallon of gas or a share of a company. And, too, when the price of a home doubles and triples in the space of a few years that is not merely appreciation. It is also a form of inflation, much more potentially destructive as well, because in the eventual decline of real estate values the banks go under. That’s what’s happening in Japan right now. That’s why their banking system is being crushed under a trillion dollars of unpayable debt built up during the inflating of the real estate bubble.
You state that our manufacturing is "rotted" and we can not produce our own goods. Please provide facts here. You are clearly wrong.
You have got to be kidding, right? Go to any department store and look at any item in the store and find out where it was made. It is nearly impossible to find something that has been made in America. The vast majority of consumer items come from China. It is well known, for example, that the domestic steel industry in the US is in a huge crisis.
http://www.uswa.org/sra/ Even cars that come out of Detroit are put together with parts and labor that have been out-sourced to all over the globe. Presently the U.S. runs a trade deficit of over one billion dollars per day. That is a fact. >>> http://www.newamerica.net/articles/article.cfm?pubID=332&T2=Article
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2000/03/mann.htm
You state that financial institution's primary source of income is from currency trading. I don't believe that. Please show me the percent of revenue from major sources for financial institutions.
As Jesus might say, Stop being unbelieving, but become believing. Believe it: http://www.forexcapital.com/introfx.htm
http://www.pierre.ndirect.co.uk/currency.htm
http://www.bis.org/publ/rpfx01.htm
You say that the development of the PC was a result of government spending on the space program. This simply is not true. Please show me the evidence as to the origin of R&D financing for computer technology.
That’s not a problem. Read the last two paragraphs of this short article:
http://www.allsands.com/Science/spaceexploratio_vfv_gn.htm

This piece by LaRouche situates the whole concept of Government led science driver projects in historical context;
http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1996/space_policy.html
Again, you state that the physical economy has been in decline for 30+ years. Give me facts. I have given you hundreds of facts that are in direct opposition to your statement, yet, you continue to make it.
Huh? Hundreds of facts? Am I missing something? First off, do you understand what I mean by physical economy? We are not here referring to money. Get that out of your head. The physical economy is the measure of what it takes to support a growing population. That includes everything from quality schools with moderate sized classrooms with teachers capable of actually imparting an education. It includes the entire health care industry and food production chain from farm to market. The physical economy is entirely dependent upon the infrastructure, such as roads, dams, bridges, power generation facilities and the transmission grid, water purification, and a host of other essentials that make a system work. The United States at one time led the world in developing that sort of physical infrastructure. The railroads and interstate system are the bedrock of the nation. But, it is easily established by verifiable facts that the infrastructure on the nation has been neglected for many years. That’s largely due to distortions in the financial system that focuses on short-term profits while the physical economy is left to rot. As a recent example, because of the California energy crisis, the U.S. government admitted that there was the need for over 1,000 new electric generation plants. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/environment/jan-june01/energy_6-5.html
You have to ask yourself, how did a situation like that develop?
Here’s another link to the official report put out by engineers accessing the condition of America’s overall infrastructure. http://www.asce.org/reportcard/index.cfm?reaction=news&page=1
Finally, stop writing like a political speech writer and start writing with some demonstration of an analysis and synthesis of facts.
You have exhibited an appalling ignorance of some very basic facts. Why should I now take orders from you as to my writing style?
You have read one person's analysis and absorbed it well. You have never taken the time to look at facts behind the analysis, which I have attempted to do for you.
I read all sorts of stuff. I think you are delusional, but go ahead.
Now, the theorist that you idolize wrote an article about forecasting, kinda sorta. What he actually wrote was a model of economic events, that I have demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt to be wrong.
You must be joking, right? Please explain how you “demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt” that LaRouche is wrong. I have re-read what you wrote and there’s nothing there that even comes close to addressing anything relevant. I challenge you to go back to whatever article LaRouche wrote that you are referring to, and go through and actually debunk his ideas that you claim you did. I would be interested in reading it.
So, let me describe for you several methods of forecasting, which your hero either does not understand or simply ignores.
Oh puhleeze. Give me a break.
Least Squares Fit: This works when data forms a linear function and one can extrapolate into the future from that linear function. Exponential Models: This works well in the long run for productivity and stock market increases. The exponent for productivity is +1.02 for the last 35 years, not -1.02 as LaRouch hypothesized. This means that productivity doubled in 30 years. It was not cut in half. The exponent for the stock market is 1.12. Cyclical Models: If one assumes a linear model during good times, one assumes that they will continue forever. If one assumes a linear model during bad times, one comes to believe that everyone will die of starvation. Now, the reality is that most factors cycle. Things vary from good to bad. As a society, we never end up in utopia and we don't end up in total devastastion either. I think this is the most fundemental concept that you do not grasp. Well, You Know, I think you have potential. You are a bright young man and you have confictions. Those are good characteristics. I hope I have broadened you horizens.
Okay. Whatever. Was that it? Are you seriously trying to pass that off as something insightful into economic theory?
Another thing we need to discuss is the Bretton Woods agreement.
Okey dokey. Let’s discuss the Bretton Woods agreement.
First of all, you give too much credit to Roosevelt and to much blame to Nixon. The fact is that the agreement was hammered out with representatives from 44 countries, from July 1 to July 22, 1944.
Okay, that sounds about right.
The fact is that the system worked up until 1971. At that time there was a system failure. That is, the system was about to collapse. A temporary fix was put in place that worked for a year or two and then a better solution was found.
Yes, I believe the British Sterling got into a bit of trouble. Here’s what the Socialist think. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/aug2001/bw-a16.shtml
You Know, much of the Bretton Woods system is still in place. What aspect of it that has been changed would you like to see restored, and why?
You are a bit confused. The fact is, I don’t care one way or the other. I have no interest in seeing the system reformed or in sustaining this system one day longer than it is destined to collapse. I am just interested in the history, development, and demise of the Anglo-American dual world power and the system it oversees. But, basically what the collapse of the Bretton Woods system did was usher in the floating exchange system of globalization. Whereas, the focus was taken off of physical economy and channeled into non-productive services and a wide array of inventive speculative schemes that have come to dominate the system. The floating exchange rate though is the heart of what many increasingly recognize to be today’s global-casino financial system. But you don’t believe in currency swaps and derivatives and all that. LOL
Also, your hero, LaRouch is long on problems and short on solutions. After reading much of his material, I could only find two solutions. Set up tarrifs and freeze the value of currency. I think these are stupid ideas in today's economy. Perhaps, I am missing something. Perhaps you can explain LaRouch's solutions to today's economic problems.
You missed quite a bit I would say. In a nut shell: LaRouche’s proposals are two-fold. First: Since the system is bankrupt, there must be an earthwide chapter 11 style Bankruptcy procedure. The fact that the system is bankrupt is evident by this fact: There are some estimated 400 trillion dollars of debt dependent on a mere 40 trillion dollars of ability to service the debt. Secondly, his proposal for a New Bretton Woods is not limited to just bringing the speculative excesses under regulation. http://www.cecaust.com.au/nbw/paper3/reg_org.html His main idea is for the development of the largest landmass and population centers of the world in Asia. His Land bridge ideas for high- speed maglev corridors of development are actually being implemented already. It is the same basic means that Roosevelt used to bring the U.S. out of the Great Depression by launching great infrastructure projects. For example the TVA projects. http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2001/011027jbt_new_ldbge.html
I asked you to provide facts to back up your assertions, which have not done, nor do I think you will. You stated, for example, that it was government funding that was spent to miniturize computers for the space program and that is what lead to the personal computer. I said that, that is simply not true. Since you will not spend the time to find out the facts, I will give them to you.
The link I provided further up the page proves my point that the PC was developed as a spin-off of the great space science-driver project. But, the government does not necessarily have to directly fund a research project. They simply put forth an idea or a program, or a vision if you will, and allow companies to harness the human potential to fill the need. They also of course issue contracts to companies for various services and some of that funding will eventually find its way in to R&D.
The concept of the integrated circuit was conceived in 1952 by G.W. Dummer at Britain's Radar Establisment. In 1958, Jack Kilby at Texas Instruments and Robert Noyce at Fairchild both indepently built the first integrated circuit. After this research and developement was done in a corporate environment, the first application was in Air Force computers and in the Minute Man Missle. The important fact here is that private enterprise came up with the technology, not government sponsored reseach. That is not how the government works. The government requests applications, once techology has been developed. This is also true of the transister which was invented at Bell Labs in 1948 by Bardean, Shockly and Brattain.
The government supports development in many ways other than direct funding for research. The most obvious is that the government maintains an education system that turns out engineers and scientist. Secondly, they provide the stimulus and environment whereby companies are encouraged to devote a certain portion of their profits into research and development. Or, as has been the trend, they can throttle human potential and squander their most important resources. I merely used the Space Program as an example because it is the most dramatic demonstration of how it can work when the government acts to unharness the full industrial might of a nation and the creative potential of the human mind. / You Know
Abaddon

Amazing; An interesting post, but I have to disagree on a few items, although this should not be taken as agreeing with You Know;
...many in the Towel-Head culture (no disrespect intended) are stuck in a time warp of about 2000 years ago. These are just growing pains that are going on within their own nations ... and unfortunately a few left-winged nuts found themselves inside airplanes.
1/ Why use racist terminology in this way? No need at all, you can make your point without it. To say "Nigger" and then say no disrespect intended is two-faced. To say "Towel-Head" and say 'no disrespect intended is exactly the same.
2/ Time wharp of 2000 years ago is hyperbole. Poor show, undermines your point. You would make your point better if you were to say they were stranded culturally somewhere in the Middle Ages, as this is supportable in some ways.
3/ Left-winged nuts? I think their politics are more akin to those of the right.
Iran has been the big Nuke buyer from the defunct Soviet Union for years. They are the main meance followed by Iraq. Pakistan and India are not that stupid to set off nukes. BUT ... the terrorists did the west a BIG favor by hurting us as much as they on 9/11 ... they gave the west justified reason to go in and take take nukes away from Iraq and Iran ... maybe take away their oil for a while to pay for damages ... and while we are at it, bring them into the 21 Century.
"Maybe take away their oil for a while"? Huh? What has Iran done recently? As in proven links with terrorism? The country is going through a delicate stage of reform that should result it in becoming a secular State within the next decade, provided no one screws up and causes a fundamentalist resurgence by, oh, I guess confiscating their oil would do it... Likewise I think Iraq would be better served by getting rid of Saddam and putting their oil money into reconstruction, rather than having its natural resources stolen from its people for what an unelected tyrant has done.
I think I side with Julie on the issue of turning points, but I think it is largely a question of perspective. The soldiers in the battle that turned back the Muslim armies in the expansionist stage of Islam kept Europe Christian. Did they know that was a turning point? No. Was it? Yes.
However, You Know's delusio world seems to think the fall of Babylon still counts as a major turning point, which is bull. The rise of the Greek Empire that eventually followed it would probably have happened even if Babylon hadn't fallen, thus it's not a major turning pooint as the timeline carries on roughly the same without it.
You are incorrect about backpack nukes. Nuclear demolition charges are engineered for a minimal radioactive signature. You are confusing these with "dirty bombs" which are sub-critical nuclear devices that essentially use conventional explosives to spray radioactive material over a wide area.
People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...
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You Know:
There is a considerable portion of prophecy that Jehovah has held in reserve, which the Watchtower has never understood, and hence never clearly explained to you so that you might understand it. Like Jesus, I praise Jehovah for hiding these things in his word. So, while I would never share my private spiritual treasures with you, I will point out how many current analysts recognize the terminal nature of the present system. Since, from my standpoint the future is determined by Jehovah’s every utterance and can be verified by projecting current trends and the observations of astute observers.
Would you say Jehovah has "singled" you out. I mean, do you think Jehovah is communicating with you ALONE, revealing this "hidden" information, or do you imagine he is miraculously revealing it to all of the faithful "remnant" of anointed who exist OUTSIDE Brooklyn Bethel?
Also, if God is revealing special "information" to you (and perhaps others of an "elite" grouping), does this signal or hint in your mind his thorough disapproval of the GB "anointed" and leaders at Headquarters Staff in NY?
Your opinion please.
tfs
4horsemen

You Know,
I thought we we supposed to keep up with the celestial chariot, not run in front of it?
If this system implodes financially, dont worry we'll just use beads and feathers.
"Money aint God, but try and live without it" ~Larry Holmes after coming out of retirement

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