Does the Issue of Universal Sovereignty make sense to you as an explanation for evil?

by gubberningbody 233 Replies latest jw friends

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  tec

  Shelby is ill. thats the sad fact.

  I think your use of the word 'fact' here, lessens your credibility with your other 'facts'... including in what I thought was your field of knowledge: mathematics/probabilities.

  As it is, this is like having long arguments with a person suffering every symptom of major depression but are in denial and like to convince everyone the depressed world-view is the correct one.

  Then why engage?

  If God eventually turn evil on her (and i think i have seen signs that make me question if the voices are all good) she need to know modern medicine is the place to go.

  Thank goodness she has people like you (self-proclaimed internet psychiatrists who have never spoken to her or met her) to depend upon to show her the way. Certainly, all the people who DO know her in person (from this site even)- family, friends, loved ones, acquaintences... and who vouch for her sanity, well-being, and overall awesomeness ;) ... have failed her in their ignorance.

  Peace, despite the silliness here,

  Tammy
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  tec

  When chatting to the artificial construct AGuest it feels like kicking a puppy when responding critically to her soft wiffle, much prefer a frank exchange of ideas!

  LOL... who have you been talking to? Shelby/AGuest has never been some weak-minded little ninny/puppy. She has always been frank and truthful; not artificial... that's the real problem most people have with her, imo (those who have a problem with her, that is). She doesn't 'tickle the ears'.

  Peace,

  Tammy
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  gubberningbody

  Ok. My turn to post too much stuff...

  My take on the ones who can't see the disconnect between any concept of God, their own professed morality, their peculiar conception of a God who is ostensible the source of these morals, but who fails to follow its own is a lot like people who suffer from Anton-Babinski syndrome.

  The following is from Wikipedia...

  Anton–Babinski syndrome is mostly seen following a stroke, but may also be seen after head injury. It is well described by the neurologist Macdonald Critchley:

  The sudden development of bilateral occipital dysfunction is likely to produce transient physical and psychical effects in which mental confusion may be prominent. It may be some days before the relatives, or the nursing staff, stumble onto the fact that the patient has actually become sightless. This is not only because the patient ordinarily does not volunteer the information that he has become blind, but he furthermore misleads his entourage by behaving and talking as though he were sighted. Attention is aroused however when the patient is found to collide with pieces of furniture, to fall over objects, and to experience difficulty in finding his way around. He may try to walk through a wall or through a closed door on his way from one room to another. Suspicion is still further alerted when he begins to describe people and objects around him which, as a matter of fact, are not there at all. Thus we have the twin symptoms of anosognosia (or lack of awareness of defect) and confabulation, the latter affecting both speech and behaviour. [ 1 ]

  The syndrome may be conceptualised ideally as the converse of blindsight: a syndrome in which part of the visual field is experienced as completely inoperative, but some reliable perception does in fact occur.

  [ edit ] Causes

  Why patients with Anton–Babinski syndrome deny their blindness is unknown, although there are many theories. One theory is that damage to the visual cortex results in the inability to communicate with the speech-language areas of the brain. Visual imagery is received but cannot be interpreted; the speech centers of the brain confabulate a response. [ 2 ]
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  MrDarkKnight

  I don't think I could sit by and watch my only Son beaten, raped and abused over and over and over again for six thousand years to prove an obvious point IF I was the Almighty...oh that's right human thinking...oh but we are made in God's image...

  Bulldickey!
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  EntirelyPossible

  Alcoholism is why some people put whiskey in their morning coffee, dear EP (the greatest of love and peace to you, my bruh!). "A bit of the hair"... and all that...

  Oh, sweet baby jesus, are you armchair diagnosing me again, the same person that got all sorts of info from directly from a diety and got every single bit of it wrong, the person that hears voices?

  It really is quite sad that you really have it in your head that I'm an alcoholic. You go straight through that door every chance you get. Sad. I would pity you, but I am not sure I am capable of that emotion.
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  EntirelyPossible

  Okay, I haven't gotten to this page, yet... but that was the most awesome retort (even given lightly). I laughed out loud.

  It would be funny if alcoholism wasn't a disease that many suffer from. It also would be funny if Shelby didn't sincerly believe it. She's accused me of it many times in the past and not once suggest or encouraged that I get help, unlike those who truly beleive SHE needs help for hearing voices. Once again, the loving Christian shows less love than the supposed amoral atheist. No surprise there, sadly.

  At this point, it's her go to trick, like "Have you stopped beating your wife yet", it's hollow, a last ditch effort to sling mud. I like shelby, she's interesting if nothing else, but that doesn't mean she gets a pass for slinging shit.
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  tec

  I just took it as a dry, witty comeback, EP. I didn't mean anything by it. I'm sorry if I hurt you.

  Speaking from one who has lived with an alcoholic for many years... it is really hard to feel more than resentment and anger toward such a person. And hopelessness, because not a damn thing you say or do is going to make a difference. I know its a disease, but if the meanness comes when a drunk is sober... well, what the hell is that?
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  EntirelyPossible

  What Shelby said didn't hurt me. How can a false statement by someone I don't really know hurt me?

  What it DOES show is that, despite her KNOWING the truth, she leans on that like a crutch, uses it like a gun and whips it out whenever it is convenient, it's a smear. It's low down, dirty and passive agressive. She never ONCE apologized for all kinds of stuff her "lord" told her about me that was patently wrong, some of it ALSO ugly nature.

  So, none of this hurts me. It takes a lot to hurt me. My son accidentally hit me in the nuts playing football today. That hurt. Getting divorced hurt. This... this is just calling a spade a spade.

  You laughing at it doesn't hurt me, either, you took it as something other that what it was and laughed based on that perception. Of course I won't fault you for that, that would be unreasonable. And empathize with what you live it. It sucks ass. You have to put up with it, commit them to help against their will and hope eventually it works or walk away, none of them appealing options.

  You can talk to me about it any time, I've been through something similiar (drugs, not alcohol, but the end result seems to be the same, people with potential fucking up their lives and the lives of those around them). I mean that very sincerely.
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  tec

  Thank you for the offer. Its probably not a good idea right now. But thank you.

  Despite the fact that Shelby is not infallible (she would be the first to yell that from the rooftops ), she truly does care. She truly does love. Better than most I know, even.

  Peace to you both, for I care for you both,

  Tammy
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  EntirelyPossible

  That sucks as a situation to be in. I am very sorry to hear that. There is no expiration date if you need someone to talk to.

  And don't get me wrong, I am not saying I am mad at Shelby or don't like her. By way of example, my best friend is one of the most flawed people I know. He's wicked smart, honest to a fault, but has his flaws. One thing I love about him is not only would he bail me out of jail at 3 AM, he also calls me on my bullshit every time i start to get a little sideways or dishonest with myself. I do the same for him. Despite our flaws and telling each other when we fuck up, we are friends. Actually, not despite that, because of it.

  I can still be friends with someone right after I said how I thought what they were doing is bullshit.

  **Edited to say you have a PM, or will in the next few minutes**