An Old Argument.... does it hold water? (page 82)

N.drew

Not off topic dear. Welcome to the quarrel. You use the word schizophrenic because you are brave. They think it but won't say it. Well, obviously the difference is great. One, a crazed murderer on the one end, on the other end is wonderful imagination for LIFE, not murder.

And in case you were listening did you hear us all say more then twice that Christianity isn't a religion?

My faith kept my marriage in tact. I do not shun anyone even them who would, if they could, commit me to the ward. Ostracizing, what is that? Love me!

sizemik

Is this any different from a schizophrenic who has hallucinations and hears voices(God) that are real . . . bobld

I think the experience of the schizophrenic is more "real" and therefore more compelling . . . and understandable. Hearing voices is not necessarily a sign of mental illness, though it is not regarded as healthy either (?).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearing_Voices_Movement

tec

All I did was turn her ridiculous comment on page 36 around back on her.

E X cept that she had and gave her reason for being here and continuing. So not so ridiculous after all.

Peace,

Tammy

N.drew

Instead of feeling anger, wouldn't it be nice for world to feel shame? Anger leads to fighting and hurtful things. Shame causes a deviation from the established course. Doesn't the world need a new course?

sizemik

Doesn't the world need a new course? . . . N.drew

No argument there.

But that brings us back to the original question. Do we accept responsibility and do something ourselves? . . . or wait on an all-knowing, all-powerful, morally perfect God to do it?

It seems to me that the waiting on God option is a cop-out. It also absolves the individual from being held responsible by being "saved" . . . but at the expense of all who do not share that belief. It affords some comfort to the individual no doubt . . . but the real "expense" is the utter waste of resources, both physical and intellectual, which could be better employed.

AGuest

Doesn't the world need a new course?

Interestingly, it seems ALL of us here would agree on that, dear N.drew (the greatest of love and peace to you!). Unfortunately, that common ground doesn't seem to be common enough. I mean, regardless of whether you believe in God... or NOT... there's no reason why "you" couldn't do something. I mean, rather than waiting for God... or your fellowman... or "no one"... to do something.

I think non-believers who whine and moan about world "suffering"... but do nothing personally to offset it... are no different and just as hypocritical as "believers"... who whine and moan about world "suffering... but do nothing to personally offset it. And, no, knocking on doors handing out WTs... or telling folks that if they don't think like you they're stupid/doomed to hell/destruction... is NOT "doing something" to offset it.

Keep on keeping on... and fighting the fine fight, my sisters! May JAH bless you and yours... and peace to you!

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

SA

AGuest

I'm not waiting on God, dear Size (peace to you!), because He turned the responsibility over to me.

Oh Shelbyyyyy *clink clink clink*

Glub, glub, slurp, slurp... MMMMMmmmmm, dear Poopsie-Girl!! Peace... and chin-chin!

SA, holding up glass... on her own...

N.drew

@ But that brings us back to the original question. Do we accept responsibility and do something ourselves? . . . or wait on an all-knowing, all-powerful, morally perfect God to do it?.......

Every word you say is right. You are right.

Here is what I believe my occupation should be for me. Not for you, for me. Seek Jah, seek righteousness, seek meekness, get under the yoke, listen, follow, be imitating the holy ones. Holy to me means for The God's Will To Be Done. Only The God realizes who is holy because it is His will not mine, not your's. That is how I keep my hope lively. It is how, I believe, I find direction. It is how I know wickedness will be eliminated. When that happens anyone holding on to wickedness will be eliminated with it. No? If something were thrown in the fire and you wouldn't let go, what would happen to you? You would go into the fire with it. No fire? I don't know. Do you know? If you know, how do you know? And if you know there is no fire ahead, you should be able to prove it. Wouldn't you share your proof?

tec

But that brings us back to the original question. Do we accept responsibility and do something ourselves? . . . or wait on an all-knowing, all-powerful, morally perfect God to do it?

This, I think, is one of the things that is so difficult to understand about this thread. Who is saying we should wait? I think I (and other believers) am saying TO accept responsibility and do something ourselves. That IS our job. That IS our responsibility. That IS what 'we' have been saying from the start.

But the fact that we are not blaming God - but are instead taking responsibility - is somehow the big issue here.

I cannot understand that line of 'reasoning'. I just cannot.

It also absolves the individual from being held responsible by being "saved" . . .

The opposite of what any believer here has said.

but at the expense of all who do not share that belief.

??

It affords some comfort to the individual no doubt . . . but the real "expense" is the utter waste of resources, both physical and intellectual, which could be better employed.

According to everything I just said (clarified), then tell me in what way I or others who have answered this thread are wasting resources (physical and intellectual) that could be better employed?

Peace,

Tammy

sizemik

...or if you were God, would you allow this [suffering] to go on for hundreds of years without intervention?...AK Jeff(OP)

What would be nice . . . would be for everyone here to answer that question with a simple yes or no . . . no justifying, no reasoning . . . just a simple yes or no.

I'll start . . .

NO.

An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

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