by AK - Jeff 1495 Replies latest jw experiences
Come now. Plagerizm is taking someone else's work as your own, UC.
There have been plenty of outside quotes and arguments on this thread, mainly from the 'non-believing' group. So is the problem with the quote, or is the problem with what the quote says?
yes tec that is exactly what i thought regarding the wiki article (edit) and yes that is what I think plagiarism means.
undercover - lol. I am still interested in what sizemik has to say because the rebuttal does sound quite logical to me and he has asked for logic.
Plagerizm is taking someone else's work as your own
There have been plenty of outside quotes and arguments on this thread, mainly from the 'non-believing' group.
In the few pages I've been involved in, the only outside cut/pastes I've seen are OUTLAW's KFC obsessions.
Referencing outside material, quoting it even, is fine, as long as it's wrapped up in your own comment, in order to support your comment. But to say, "Your post got me to thinking...and here is my reply" by cutting and pasting someone elses work is basically plagerizing. If you were in school and you were given the task of writing a thesis on your position on the subject of God and evil and you cut and pasted someone else's work, you'd be charged with plagerizing. While this isn't college, or even a nighttime GED class, and maybe cutting/pasting on a message board isn't all that dishonest, it is lazy.
soft+gentle The quote in your post is indeed food for thought. If there were a God that intervened then we would lose our free will. I do realize that people starving in far away lands have already lost their free will and will in time loose their lives. Even so, once an all powerful being chooses to exercise its free will and make adjustments to our world it ceases to be our world.
That makes sense as far as it goes. The difficulty is that accepting this as a reason is that believers will tell us that God has at times intervened. Adam & Eve, Noah's flood, miracles of Jesus and execution of undesirable nations such as Sodom and Gomorra. Even if we discount all these biblical accounts we are still left with the fact that Christians ask God to intervene in their lives when they are say ill or in danger. Sometimes they believe he has helped, sometimes he ignors the plea. I have no answer to the dilemma.
Perhaps there is a God who goes around setting worlds in motion and moves off millions of light years away and only revisits every few thousand years? Or perhaps there is no such being?
Well, UC, we could argue about what plagerism actually is or we could ponder what was said. For that matter... it has already been said in this thread, just perhaps not so succinctly. Taking away free will would be an act of 'evil'. But allowing people to have free will means that they have the potential to do harm, or to do good.
Peace,
Tammy
Glad - So the question becomes not 'why does God do nothing'... but rather, why does he sometimes intervene, and sometimes not?
Good question. While I think I have some understanding on that (and I think it has also been addressed in the thread), I also think I'm going to ask, and reflect, on it a little before speaking further.
Peace,
Tammy
Taking away free will would be an act of 'evil'. But allowing people to have free will means that they have the potential to do harm, or to do good.
So, for those that believe in an upcoming Armageddon, or Apocolypse, where the bad are destroyed and the good are rewarded, that would define god as evil, because he will have intervened in people's free will to be good or bad.
If one doesn't believe in "end times", "last days", or similar but hold to the belief that the good will be rewarded and the bad punished upon death of their physical body, then that would define god as evil as he is using the choices of people's free will to determine how he should treat them in the afterlife.
No. In case you weren't listening. The war is against SIN, not people. So people who are HOLDING ON to sin, will go the way of sin. It aint rocket science. So then, The Word becomes the HELPER to the person who does not know how to let go of sin. It's personal though. It is ONLY between the sinner and the JUDGE. There are not "sins" that are judged but SIN is judged.
Yes Tammy that’s about it. Why would God help someone in a minor matter in the western world who prays to him? Yet people who have never had the opportunity to learn about salvation through Christ are ignored and allowed to starve because they were born in an undeveloped area of the world.
My feeling is that no being capable of intervention exists. We are on our own and have to make the best of it. I would rather not have come to that conclusion but any other option would leave me with the dilemma that this thread is about.
I have read everyone’s comments and realize that the subject has been thoroughly explored and no conclusion reached that everyone can agree on. You have put up a Spirited fight and defended your corner admirably.
The war is against SIN, not people. So people who are HOLDING ON to sin, will go the way of sin.
Quoting, or paraphrasing the Bible, "all sin, all fall short". If one holds on to sin of his own free will, wouldn't it be evil of god to judge him for that? He gave him free will and we've established that interfering with it would be evil. So is it not evil to judge him at a later date for using free will?
