Hello--new to the witnesses...and you

by LKM 85 Replies latest jw friends

  • ABibleStudent
    ABibleStudent

    HI LKM, Good-luck with you plan! If you want your plan to have the best chance of working, please read Steve Hassan's books that I wrote about earlier. Steve Hassan has good advice about getting cult members out of their cult personas. Also, never ever talk against WTBTS doctrine in front of your BF's son and other JWs. You will have more success in taking your BF's son to fun places where he can interact with "Worldly" kids his own age to make new friends. Use your BF's son's natural child development and authentic self to enjoy life and praise his accomplishments. JWs always want kids to work harder distributing WTBTS literature and rarely praise children for having fun.

    Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

    Robert,

    A "Worldly" Guy, who wasn't fooled by a former JW friend, a JW elder, and JW publisher.

  • erbie
    erbie

    Where has Teary gone?

    I was enjoying his comments.

    I have to say that a lot of what he says is right. I don't want to fall in to the trap of tearing down all the time. I'm far too self reflective for that.

    Everybody should have their say right? That's why we are here.

  • GLTirebiter
    GLTirebiter

    Welcome, LKM!

    I feel its a compromise I'm making for our relationship. I can go to a meeting here and there so he has the chance of speaking to his family again.... Sigh. Any suggestions of how to pull this off? I don't want to study. I just want to go to meetings to make things easier for him and his family. I'm a peace maker.

    Pursuing family peace is a noble goal, but a difficult one. Don't think this is the only compromise you will have to make, nor the most difficult. Others will follow. For now, it's "go to the meetings". Then associations with Witnesses dominate your social life, to the detriment of non-Witness friends and family members. Then you should start a "Bible study", the better to fit in with the congregation. And if you have children (now or later), of course you need to give them a "good spiritual and moral example".

    Your partner will be under pressure too, if he's started going back to meetings. The Watchtower teaches there is only one truth: their "Truth" as expounded in their publiocations, and there are only two kinds of people: good Witnesses (including prospects for conversion) and evil "Worldlies" (everyone else). Being a Witness in good standing is a full-time proposition, not just a few hours on Sundays.

    It is a very difficult to straddle the Watchtower fence, keeping the family peace without outright capitulation. Some have managed to do it; others (self included) have tried and failed. If you both are committed to facing this challenge, I wish you the strength and resolve to be true to yourselves. If you do go this route, he will need your support just as much as you will need his. But if you are not of one mind and agree up front to the boundaries on involvement, then "divide" has already happened and "conquer" will be next on the agenda.

    WRONG place to be asking questions about the Witnesses dear.

    I disagree. For somebody who is not a Witness, and is involved with a lapsed Witness who is showing signs of returning to that practice, this forum (and freeminds.org) is is the RIGHT place to be reading and asking questions! You will learn from former Witnesses, nominal Witnesses who are in the organization only to appease family (exactly the situation LKM is facing), other non-believers who have Witnesses as family members, and even from an active Witness or two (though they are not supposed to be active here, according to Watchtower teachings). There are many different opinions, and you won't agree with all of them. There is fluff and nonsense to separate from facts, as there is in any open and honest discussion. But paying attention to all sides is how you come to understand different perspectives on the Watchtower organization, the Witnesses who follow those teachings, and spiritual philosphies in general. You have heard the Watchtower's version in the Kingdom Hall; now learn about other points of view here.

  • james_woods
    james_woods
    Where has Teary gone?
    I was enjoying his comments.
    I have to say that a lot of what he says is right. I don't want to fall in to the trap of tearing down all the time. I'm far too self reflective for that.
    Everybody should have their say right? That's why we are here.

    The problem with his comments here is that he was hijacking a thread started by a new JWN member who has a serious life issue, and was asking for help. It is idiotic to hijack such a thread to spout pro-JW bullshit when he himself claims to NOT be a JW. Note that he offered the poster ZERO USEFUL ADVICE - he simply attempted to trash all other posters here on JWN. If he wants to defend the JWs and their cult religion, let him start his own thread - this thread is no place for that.

  • Ding
    Ding

    Please consider the effect this cult will have on any children you two may have. They will be under constant pressure to get baptized. Consider what they will think of you, the outsider.

    Someone having to pretend to believe something he or she doesn't believe in order to be accepted by family should be a BIG red flag.

    Faking belief in order to keep the family happy is tough enough in any situation, but it's especially stressful in a works-oriented religion like Jehovah's Wtinesses. Remember that JWs are constantly hounded by elders to put in more and more hours of d2d field service trying to bring others into the religion. How much of that does your unbelieving husband intend to do in order to be accepted?

  • N.drew
    N.drew

    Consider this; they really believe the devil is the father of the lie. So you will go among them and lie about your intentions? That is not a fair thing to do to them, to you, to your love interest, and to the innocent children involved. That is the spiritual problem. But lying also causes physical problems (stress and it messes with blood pressure). I might be wrong about that last part, I don't know, but I have heard.

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    Ok, I'll say this again: it doesn't matter how many meetings you go to. If you're not baptized when you marry your bf it will be him marrying a worldly person. No amount of meeting attendance will change than one fact. I know you're doing it for the child and for your soon to be hubby but the plan, from the perspective of a born-in or even an exjw, seems a bit cockeyed. I don't think it will work and I think it would be best if you not go and your bf gets his reinstatement on his own.

  • flipper
    flipper

    LKM- Welcome to the board ! I guess nobody needs to tell you that you have quite a challenge ahead of you at this point in the thread. I assume you have read everyone's comments and gained insight on that even more than you knew at the start of this thread.

    It is very noble of you to make a " compromise " as you stated to try keeping good relations with your man and his child for the sake of family peace with his JW relatives - but if I may make a few suggestions it might be good to keep in mind. If your man has a child that is being raised by a JW ex-wife - she is going to insist on indoctrinating that child in the Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs. That will be an extreme challenge for you as a stepmom through the years in keeping peace during your husbands visitation time with the child. Celebration of all Holidays will be an issue, how much say you and your husband will have in regards to medical decisions should that child need a blood transfusion ( which JW's don't believe in ) . Also , depending on HOW fanatic your husbands relatives are in the JW belief system - they too will come into the picture of influencing your husbands decisions regarding his child - as well as judging him based on decisions he makes regarding you and his health and views.

    It's a risky venture at best. A potential catastrophe at worst. Been there, done that myself when I was disfellowshipped once with another non-witness woman's children. It is very hard to join hands in marriage when you have opposite views, values, and ethics. When people on the thread said to BE SURE of where your husband stands regarding the Jehovah's Witnesses it was with good reason. If he doesn't believe in it and decides not to attend meetings after getting reinstated- then fine and dandy. However - If his parents DO NOT accept him as a fading, inactive JW THEN you and he may ave problems keeping peace with his JW family. Just being upfront here. If his JW parents are " weak " JW's or don't attend much themselves - it may be clear sailing for the both of you. You'll need to determine how devout of Witnesses his parent are. But that still leaves the JW ex-wife to deal with as well.

    The other posters on here who recommended Steve Hassan's books are very right on in recomending reading them. Both " combatting Cult Mind Control " & " Releasing the Bonds - Empowering People to Think for Themselves " will help you to understand what you are dealing with in regards to the WT society's mind control tactics which keep your JW relatives controlled - including your husband- through use of fear and guilt tactics. It's extremely important you understand this information to deal with this.

    I've been away from the Witnesses for 8 years now, not DFed, but in an inactive state. My older JW parents accept this, but I'm lucky, that's not usually the rule , it's the exception. They love my non-Witness wife, but they are understanding, cool people who although in their 80's , became JW's in their mid 20's , so they have a more authentic, human view of people than my JW siblings who were raised in the cult.

    I guess I'm saying it can work, but you may need cooperation from his JW parents - if his JW relatives make it rough on you - it may weaken and threaten your marriage for sure. I only wish you the best in life - only you in time will be able to see where your husbands loyalties lie with his JW cult and parents , or with you . Take care

  • Heaven
    Heaven

    Hi LKM and Welcome! It may be a tough go especially if you are planning on spending any real amount of time with his family or if you are planning on having children. Please, whatever you do, if you have children, protect them from this cult.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    My boyfriend told me to arrive late and leave early...sit in the back....and to be polite and firm in saying "No" to a study.

    That was excellent advice.

    He must appreciate how much you love him to make such a sacrifice for him (to attend even 1 godawful meeting).

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