Where does the operator get the energy from to start the system without suffering entropy? Answer that and you can probably dispense with the operator. Without it the operator is merely an added complication to the real question.
Does anybody still believe in God and the Bible?
by tornapart 218 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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sabastious
Where does the operator get the energy from to start the system without suffering entropy? Answer that and you can probably dispense with the operator. Without it the operator is merely an added complication to the real question.
Make the opperator the creator of the system. Seems like problem solved to me.
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sabastious
Where does the operator get the energy from to start the system without suffering entropy?
Memory degradation is what solves the puzzle of entropy. If you forget how you came to be then you don't require explanation of yourself because the explanation is actually lost which is a logical conclusion. That's what seems to have happened to humans, correct? We started out however we started out and then lived long enough to forget how we came to be in the first place. Theoretically we could just be debriefed by something that has existed before our beginning which would start the process over again with the intention of forgetting again and being debriefed. The debriefer would need to be a form of intelligence with capability of communication with unknown entities of the future. Anyway just a train of thought.
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sabastious
en·tro·py /'entr?pe/
Noun: - A thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often...
- Lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.
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EntirelyPossible
EP, you are a very odd person. I'm not sure how to even respond to this nonsense. I'm just going to slowly back away.
I know. I like reason, thinking through things, not saying the first thing that pops into my head without foundation. I am so weird that way, thinking things through and knowing what I am talking about and, if I don't, asking questions.
How could the universe NOT have exterior walls or some sort of stoppage?
It may well have boundaries.
Logic doesn't seem to be able to hurdle whatever the infinite is therefore I believe it can be said to be a flawed, or incomplete, model.
Since we can't see if there are walls yet, it's premature to claim science and logic can't penetrate them. We don't know if they are there yet. That's why we do MORE science to find out. There are a lot of competing theories that may explain what it out there. More evidence is needed.
This, to me, is strong evidence of a higher power since it can be proven that the human brain has inherent limitations.
You haven't proven the limitations. This is where your argument breaks down. You keep talking about not knowing everything as a limitations and then creating a non-sequitur and using that as proof that something must. That doesn't follow your unproven premise.
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EntirelyPossible
It's an observation of mine that logic is not something that can solve the problems of the universe because the universe doesn't seem to abide by it as a law.
Logic is a thought process for figuring things out and reaching conclusions in a coherent and consistent model. Why would the universe follow a thought process? The universe IS consistent in every direction we look in that all directions follow the same "rules"of physics.
Why do you think logic and science would not be able to figure out things when it has already figured out so much and more every day?
Make the opperator the creator of the system. Seems like problem solved to me.
For you, yes, because the root problem is your own lack of understanding how things work and why. But not in the real world.
Memory degradation is what solves the puzzle of entropy. If you forget how you came to be then you don't require explanation of yourself because the explanation is actually lost which is a logical conclusion.
Oh boy. You are now trying to wander into philosphy. I am going to rename you non-sequitur. You really don't seem to know how to construct a argument with supporting propositions and internally consistent ideas.
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N.drew
The question goes around and around. It is IF God is Love then HOW to explain JHWH ordering extermination? And how can a believer explain her love for the Person of God who would do that?
I shall give a partial answer to the first. YHWH is the God of what will be. God knows the future. God has power to prevent the worse ending but people test Him and test Him and test Him but the worse ending will still be avoided. But a better ending can not be had by so many people who test him. And also all them who do listen to Him must share someway in what will be. (It's not fair.)
How does this believer find peace in herself loving The God that kills babies? Well, I shall offer you an illustration. If you were born into a warring family, take your pick, how old are you before you hate your daddy for causing terrible death? Not a fighting family (God bless them). I'm talking about the family type that cause war. When would you who complain about YHWH disassociate yourself from your family who profits from war? would you?
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cofty
YHWH is the God of what will be. God knows the future. God has power to prevent the worse ending but people test Him and test Him and test Him but the worse ending will still be avoided. But a better ending can not be had by so many people who test him. And also all them who do listen to Him must share someway in what will be.
I cannot even begin to understand your point. Can you put it more prosaically?
If I discoverd my father was a war criminal I would not only refuse to share his blood money I would turn him in.
What's the point of your illustration?
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N.drew
Most people do not recognize the law of sowing leads to reaping. It's spiritual. YHWH is God of sowing thus reaping. Let's call god time, if I may to make my point. Time knows itself. Does it not? Something happening in the future that is unbearable ,time would tell us, if it could. Time would say stop what you are doing that will cause this terrible unbearable thing. But "wickedness" means that the sowing will not stop. But because humans live on a closed system (call it what you will; I say Earth) they who refuse to sow (wickedness) what will be reaped (bitterness) must share in the bitterness, or die first.
Christ is the superior lesson there is no stopping the reaping of what is sown. If it is sown, it will be reaped.
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EntirelyPossible
Most people do not recognize the law of sowing leads to reaping. It's spiritual.
It's actually rooted in agriculture.
Time knows itself. Does it not?
No.
If it is sown, it will be reaped.
Sometimes.