Does anybody still believe in God and the Bible?

by tornapart 218 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  EntirelyPossible

  The natural evolution always leads spiritual ideas to one God connected to every individual.

  All I need to do to prove this false is find one instance where it doesn't happen.

  DONE! Hindus don't worship this way. Egyptions didn't. Greeks and Romans didn't, Wiccans don't today.

  Really, you should learn how logic works. You wouldn't make such easily disprovable statements.

  And you acuse me of misrepresenting science?

  Yes. Routinely.

  Science has a constant and it's called the speed of light and 3.14. Do you think those things will ever change?

  The speed of light is constant. PI is a (so far) irrational and infinite number that ISN'T 3.14. And the speed of light changes all the time. It moves faster in a vacumn than air, faster in air than water. It can take millions of years for photons created in the center of a star to escape.

  If you are suggesting that the speed of light in a vacumn is constant, then yes it is.

  WTF does that have to do anything? I never suggest the speed of light in a vacumn was anything other than what it was or that PI was equal to three (which, BTW, is what the Bible says). I simply said that some things that were once thought impossible are now a reality. It may be possible to travel faster than the speed of light. It may be possible to figure the abiogenesis or the origen of matter. It may also NOT be possible.

  Really, if you are going to use science and my own words to try to trap me, you should at least understand what they both mean.

  The evolution of the raw material on Earth had a start. What about the evolution of space and rime? Energy?

  What about it?

  The theme of Love in the Bible is what narrows down my options

  Like it is in the Bible, they loved them some genocide, incest, slavery, murder and abortion. God mandated, God approved!
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  EntirelyPossible

  Put down the hot pitch fork and lets have a civilized conversation, please?

  You were the one that said you wanted to take me outside and beat my ass, internet tough guy. Irony, thy name is Sabastious.

  Physician, heal thyself. Just because you are having to defend your ideas doesn't mean it isn't civil.

  I don't care about right wrong. Why would I?

  You accused me of have false logic. I am asking for an example. Put up or shup up. You already ducked the question about ancient writings older than the bible being inspired. Try to answer this one.

  And the why is because you have made so many false assertions you can't care about it.

  He could reveal himself in 5 minutes? Where is your evidence for this?

  I don't have any evidence. That why I said he could, not that he WOULD. He also could not. That's why I said he could for all I know, not that he would. Try to keep up.
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  sabastious

  DONE! Hindus don't worship this way. Egyptions didn't. Greeks and Romans didn't, Wiccans don't today.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_HinduismHinduism is a diverse system of thought with beliefs spanning monotheism, polytheism, panentheism, pantheism, monism, atheism, agnosticism, gnosticism among others; and its concept of God is complex and depends upon each individual and the tradition and philosophy followed. It is sometimes referred to as henotheistic (i.e., involving devotion to a single god while accepting the existence of others), but any such term is an overgeneralization.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra

  ^ Ra is the God of the Sun which means that he's the most powerful of all the Gods. The ability to turn off the Sun brings a end to all known existence in egyptian times.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiccan_views_of_divinity

  Wiccan views of divinity are generally theistic , and revolve around a Goddess and a God, thereby being generally dualistic, (with the Goddess given primacy in Dianic Wicca). Some Wiccans are polytheists, believing in many different deities taken from various ' pagan ' pantheons, while others would believe that, in the words of Dion Fortune, "all the Goddesses are one Goddess, and all the Gods one God". Some see divinity as having a real, external existence; others see the Goddesses and Gods as archetypes or thoughtforms within the collective consciousness.

  ^ Dualism is the same as monotheism because it teaches about the First Cause being a marriage-type instead of a single entity.

  -Sab
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  EntirelyPossible

  OK, gotta go. Work and other things call. Later tater.
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  EntirelyPossible

  OK, one last post.

  So, Hindu religions spans all kinds of god. Egyptians, like greeks, had a pantheon of God with a leader. Wiccans have at least two god, so also not monotheism (despite your attempt to change the meaning of the word mono). So, none of these religions exhibted the type of monotheism of the Abrahamic religions you said was the natural evolution that ALL religions evolved to.

  There you go. You wrong, me right.

  You asked for an example of you being wrong. There it is.

  OK, NOW I am out. Things to do that are more important than this.
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  sabastious

  You accused me of have false logic. I am asking for an example. Put up or shup up. You already ducked the question about ancient writings older than the bible being inspired. Try to answer this one.

  You'll just use more false logic to explain why I think you used false logic. It's an infinite loop of your own design and you use it because it works. You make claims, or counter claims, and then back them up with usually a single line of logic and then move on. You take great care in making sure there is logic in everything you say therefore can be used to continue the strain. It's another paradox. No matter what I do you will use our gap in general knowledge (you are 10 years older than me) to make yourself appear greater than me. This is your game not mine as I have stated I am here to converse and to explain my beliefs not be right. I have taken much of your fact slewing to heart and I thank you for it. I still question your motives, however.

  -Sab
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  sabastious

  So, Hindu religions spans all kinds of god. Egyptians, like greeks, had a pantheon of God with a leader. Wiccans have at least two god, so also not monotheism (despite your attempt to change the meaning of the word mono). So, none of these religions exhibted the type of monotheism of the Abrahamic religions you said was the natural evolution that ALL religions evolved to.

  Here's my original statement you quoted:

  The natural evolution always leads spiritual ideas to one God connected to every individual

  I specifically did not mention monotheism, but rather a more general concept that could lead to monotheism, or dualism or just a pantheon with a leader. All concepts that lead to a single source of power. Those ideas lead to follow up questions like where does the strongest God get his power from? It always ends in the First Cause whether the people teaching about a pantheon knew it or not.

  -Sab
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  EntirelyPossible

  You'll just use more false logic to explain why I think you used false logic.

  It's not MY fault you make statements you can't back up and can't use logic. If you knew how to use it, you could spot and explain the fallacies you are claiming I make.

  I specifically did not mention monotheism, but rather a more general concept that could lead to monotheism, or dualism or just a pantheon with a leader.

  You wrote that natural evolution ALWAYS lead to one God connected to every individual. One God is what monotheism means. Your secondary statement was that it COULD lead to monotheism, dualism or a pantheon. That's is NOT what your original statement was and to suggest it was is inherently dishonest.

  If you are updating your original statement to mean that, sure, go for, but to pretend that is what you said in the first place is blatantly dishonest and a distortion of the plain writing.

  All concepts that lead to a single source of power.

  No they don't.

  It always ends in the First Cause whether the people teaching about a pantheon knew it or not.

  No it doesn't, because logically your first cause MUST have also had a cause. At best it's the "Most Recent Cause We Are Imagining".

  To call it first means that you know it is first, which you don't. It could be cause prime or cause zeta, or simply iteration x in an endless loop.
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  sabastious

  No it doesn't, because logically your first cause MUST have also had a cause. At best it's the "Most Recent Cause We Are Imagining".

  Is your ultimate position that there is no first cause? The Big Bang requires gravity and other things to exist. So far this discussion always ends in an infinite loop of some sort. Therefore I hold to my current belief that we are not real and therefore cannot define reality. The question is, whose dream are we in?

  -Sab
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  frankiespeakin

  Brahman dream:

  http://conscious-universe.blogspot.com/2007/07/brahmas-dream.html

  The cycle repeats itself and there are 1000 mahayugas in one day in the life of Brahma (Hindu god). This day of Brahma is called a kalpa and, if you've done your arithmetic, it is 4.32 billion solar years long. Another kalpa is a Brahma night.
  In terms of the age of our universe, these Hindu units of time are similar to those of modern cosmology (scientists say that our universe is around 15 billion years old).

  http://www.thebuddhagarden.com/brahma.htm

  Brahman Hindu Mythology