Is Biblical Morality Situational, Based Upon the Arbitrary Whims of Yahweh?

by leavingwt 268 Replies latest jw friends

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    Satan set the rules and compelled God to action.

    Well that's just not true. God brought Job to Satan up and the scripture clearly says he was touched by the hand of God. Maybe God selected Job because of his Oriental genetics? Does the Bible say that anywhere?

    His selfishness knows no bounds, as you have articulated well and it's a waste of effort trying to change him.

    Do you every know what selfishness mean? There's a book about it called the Selfish Gene. Maybe it has that scripture you claim exists where God picks Moses for his righteous genes?

    If you think mocking is the correct response, then mock away, my pleasure if you need a punching bag. One day maybe you'll feel better about yourself. I will admit to being snide, but everything else quoted is wrong.

    I don't need one. You just keep offering yourself up. To be honest, I could feel better about myself. I got new job I've been after yesterday and went on a date last night. I could use a spot of coffee to perk me up. My date is making it for my now. Give me about 20 minutes to get some coffee in me, I'll be just right. Thanks for caring.

    And it didn't hurt me that you were snide (is there a biblical case for a snide gene?). I can take it.

    Do you ever get gold stars for completing self proclaimed missions?

    It's more of a hobby than a mission. Don't worry, I'll soon lose interest in you.

  • tec
    tec

    firstly the problem with the geneology differences is it brings the credibility of the authors. plain and simple, one or both must be liars, they both cant be correct. their intent is to decieve, thats all that can be said about it.

    Really, that's all that can be said about it? So when someone is mistaken, does that make them a liar? Or when someone is told something that someone else is mistaken about, that makes them a liar as well.

    There are more than just truth or liar aspects to this. And again, it has nothing to do with Christ and his teachings.

    if someone starts a tale with a big downright lie, why believe anything else they say? either they have resoect for the truth, or they dont think much nof their audience.

    This might be true, but this is not something you can state about the above.

    lastly jesus message isnt that kind or good as what you think. there are numerous scriptures where he says some very horribnle things about causing division in families

    Families did become divided when some chose to follow Him, and some chose not to. (That doesn't mean that those families remained divided, but some probably did). But what is your point here? People have always had free will to choose or not to choose. Note that he did not tell people to leave their families, or treat them with anything other than love.

    , death and murder and racism.

    I would like the scriptures that support Christ saying that he will cause death, murder, and racism, yes.

    regardung the last take a look at the story of the woman with a problem mthat made her unclean.'the scripture and apostles are very much angry that a samaritizn womN dared to troubele jesus.

    These are two different stories here. The 'unclean' woman was healed by her faith in Christ. She was also Israel.

    The samaritan woman by the well was treated well by Christ. He spoke to her by the well, taught her, and revealed who he was to her.

    It is a Caananite woman who you are speaking about above, and Christ ignored her since he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel... however... he still granted her what she asked for. He was not angry in the least. In fact, it doesn't even show the apostles as being angry unless there is a different parallel passage other than Matthew that shows differently

    is that really an example of goodness from jesus or the apsotles? think how many women iver the years were treated as durt, because jesus and the bible says women are below men to say it succinctly.

    He never says that. His example shows that he thought much differently. Such as speaking to women as equal with men. Having female disciples. Revealing himself after his resurrection first to women. Teaching that Mary had chosen correctly to listen with the men, instead of doing the cooking and hostessing, when Martha complained about her sister not helping her. He said that Mary had chosen the better of the two and it would not be taken from her.

    What men chose to twist and warp from his e x ample and teaching is on them, not Him.

    Peace,

    Tammy

  • tec
    tec

    tec,, thanks for addressing my question as best you can, Tammy,,, appreciated.

    You're welcome. I would like to add that I would want to be able to answer an accusation for myself, especially if my ability to answer for myself helped someone else be stronger as well.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    Well that's just not true. God brought Job to Satan up and the scripture clearly says he was touched by the hand of God. Maybe God selected Job because of his Oriental genetics? Does the Bible say that anywhere?

    Good fortune = God. Bad fortune = Satan. This one of the core messages of Job and also a quasi-eastern religious tenet. You are misunderstanding the scripture because you aren't applying eastern philosophy. Job got to where he was because he was the greatest man in the East which gave him divine good fortune. God did not build Job up for the sole purpose of having Satan tear him down. That's just like I said a misunderstanding of Job and the OT as a whole.

    Don't worry, I'll soon lose interest in you.

    Promise?

    -Sab

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    Maybe it has that scripture you claim exists where God picks Moses for his righteous genes?

    Moses, like Job and everyone after the Flood, had righteous traits because they had been tested for righteousness and their enemies dealt with. Like the Island of Hawaii humanity in our beginnings was most inhospitable to love, but one day a tempest, a form of chaos, brought along a seed that could grow in darkness.

    -Sab

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    Once a person severs the emotional attachment to the idea that the WTBTS, JW's, the FDS and/or the GB has "The Truth" and they have it exclusively, then it is easy to acknowledge that the scriptural narrative is full of inconsistencies, contradictions, illogical and unreasonable teachings.

    When we believe it is "The Word of God" humans will go to great lengths to justify things we read in the Bible that we would find completely unacceptable in any other human endeavor or interaction.

    It is this same mentality that continues to defend the GB/WTBTS no matter how badly they act or no matter how ridiculous the teachings.

    It's at once very sad but also quite liberating.

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    When we believe it is "The Word of God"

    When people just had the Torah to study the written law was the word of God. The NT transfers this title from YHWH to Christ who is YHWH that went through the human process. It's at this point it's done, God doesn't need any more experience and therefore the Christ works as the new mediator. It is a betrayal of Christianity to call the Bible, or any written work, the Word and is indeed blatant idolatry.

    I believe that the word rendered "God-breathed" in 2 tim 3:16 is indeed the process of which the Bible was written. Check out this excerpt from the The Sibylline Oracles:

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/sib/sib.pdf

    275 Fitted with joints unto all kinds of flesh,
    And both the flesh and sinews, veins and skin
    About the body, and hair as before;
    Divinely fashioned and with breathing moved
    Shall bodies of those on earth one day be raised.

    I think that's why the NIV renders 2 tim 3:16 "God-breathed" rather than "inspired of God" or something similar.

    2 Timothy 3:16

    New International Version (NIV)

    16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, I theorize that the Greek term and the term "breath of life" in Hebrew may be similar concepts. Raw Materials = us. Power Source = God.

    -Sab

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    sabastious:

    • I believe ...
    • I think ...
    • I theorize ...

    Interesting tangent. I don't see how anything you wrote remotely addresses the point I was making, but thanks for sharing your beliefs, thoughts and theories.

    00DAD

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    I don't see how anything you wrote remotely addresses the point I was making

    Point or motive? Not sure yet.

    Once a person severs the emotional attachment to the idea that the WTBTS, JW's, the FDS and/or the GB has "The Truth" and they have it exclusively, then it is easy to acknowledgethat the scriptural narrative is full of inconsistencies

    This is just opinion and then I gave you mine on the matter. I don't believe that once you break away from your overlord that the Bible turns to ash, in fact I think that's lazy thinking. The Bible is yet to be explained, that's a fact and that means it's ALL theorizing. This is a divergence in ideology because you may feel you have enough evidence to deem it "explained." This is a logical fallacy that Dawkins has cultivated. A blemish on his golden record as a world hero.

    Number theory is a branch of pure mathematics devoted primarily to the study of the integers .

    ^ We used to call it arithmetic, a finite discipline (a shackle), until we realized we were wrong. Now we even call numbers something that every individual can study fundamentally. My comment was pertinent to your comment, I'm sorry that you feel otherwise.

    -Sab

  • cofty
    cofty

    The Bible is yet to be explained, that's a fact - Sab

    No its not. There is nothing about the bible that is not very mundane.

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