Thanx Tec, i like separate posts when replying to separate ppl, it makes it easier to separate the two thoughts.
ORIGINAL REPLY FROM TEC
firstly the problem with the geneology differences is it brings the credibility of the authors. plain and simple, one or both must be liars, they both cant be correct. their intent is to decieve, thats all that can be said about it.
Really, that's all that can be said about it? So when someone is mistaken, does that make them a liar? Or when someone is told something that someone else is mistaken about, that makes them a liar as well.
There are more than just truth or liar aspects to this. And again, it has nothing to do with Christ and his teachings.
if someone starts a tale with a big downright lie, why believe anything else they say? either they have resoect for the truth, or they dont think much nof their audience.
This might be true, but this is not something you can state about the above.
lastly jesus message isnt that kind or good as what you think. there are numerous scriptures where he says some very horribnle things about causing division in families
Families did become divided when some chose to follow Him, and some chose not to. (That doesn't mean that those families remained divided, but some probably did). But what is your point here? People have always had free will to choose or not to choose. Note that he did not tell people to leave their families, or treat them with anything other than love.
, death and murder and racism.
I would like the scriptures that support Christ saying that he will cause death, murder, and racism, yes.
regardung the last take a look at the story of the woman with a problem mthat made her unclean.'the scripture and apostles are very much angry that a samaritizn womN dared to troubele jesus.
These are two different stories here. The 'unclean' woman was healed by her faith in Christ. She was also Israel.
The samaritan woman by the well was treated well by Christ. He spoke to her by the well, taught her, and revealed who he was to her.
It is a Caananite woman who you are speaking about above, and Christ ignored her since he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel... however... he still granted her what she asked for. He was not angry in the least. In fact, it doesn't even show the apostles as being angry unless there is a different parallel passage other than Matthew that shows differently
is that really an example of goodness from jesus or the apsotles? think how many women iver the years were treated as durt, because jesus and the bible says women are below men to say it succinctly.
He never says that. His example shows that he thought much differently. Such as speaking to women as equal with men. Having female disciples. Revealing himself after his resurrection first to women. Teaching that Mary had chosen correctly to listen with the men, instead of doing the cooking and hostessing, when Martha complained about her sister not helping her. He said that Mary had chosen the better of the two and it would not be taken from her.
What men chose to twist and warp from his example and teaching is on them, not Him.
Peace,
Tammy
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RACIST JESUS
http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/mr/chapter_007.htm
The woman was a Grecian, a Sy·ro·phoe·ni´cian nationally; and she kept asking him to expel the demon from her daughter. But he began by saying to her: “First let the children be satisfied, for it is not right to take the bread of the children and throw it to the little dogs.” In reply, however, she said to him: “Yes, sir, and yet the little dogs underneath the table eat of the crumbs of the little children.” At that he said to her: “Because of saying this, go; the demon has gone out of your daughter.” So she went away to her home and found the young child laid on the bed and the demon gone out.
http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/mt/chapter_015.htm
Leaving there, Jesus now withdrew into the parts of Tyre and Si´don. And, look! a Phoe·ni´cian woman from those regions came out and cried aloud, saying: “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David. My daughter is badly demonized.” But he did not say a word in answer to her. So his disciples came up and began to request him: “Send her away; because she keeps crying out after us.” In answer he said: “I was not sent forth to any but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” When the woman came she began doing obeisance to him, saying: “Lord, help me!” In answer he said: “It is not right to take the bread of the children and throw it to little dogs.” She said: “Yes, Lord; but really the little dogs do eat of the crumbs falling from the table of their masters.” Then Jesus said in reply to her: “O woman, great is your faith; let it happen to you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed from that hour on.
We have the story recorded twice with the woman being Greek and Phoenician. In both cases Jesus ignores the women asking for his help because she is the wrong race. Im sorry thats racism and i expect better from the Son of God who loves everyone. You can ignore the racism and concentrate on the good outcome, but considering we as ordinary mortals cant do miracles the only thing we can copy is the racist angle. Im sorry just because you help someone does not give anyone the right to be racist, insult etc to others simply because they are different.
PREACH TO ONLY JEWS
http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/mt/chapter_010.htm
These twelve Jesus sent forth, giving them these orders: “Do not go off into the road of the nations, and do not enter into a Sa·mar´i·tan city; but, instead, go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. As YOU go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.’
I know there are other scriptures that say other things, but still its concerning that Jesus would say conflicting messages.
VIOLENT DISRUPTIVE JESUS
http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/mt/chapter_010.htm
Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law.
Should Gods son really say he is not peaceful but brings war and division between people, families etc.
Im sorry Jesus was not a nice guy, he was an arrogant Jew, as they all were in those days. Thats a fact and product of history. Its easy to find the same attitudes in the OT where the Jews think they are special and can do no wrong because God gives them that authority. To some extent we see the same behaviour in their treatment of the Palestinians today. Most of Jesus preaching is curses and abuses, he expects instant authority without any reason.
