Is Biblical Morality Situational, Based Upon the Arbitrary Whims of Yahweh? (page 25)

sabastious

His life ended with about 1000 women (assuming all 9s and 10s much younger than him) at his beck and call - I'd say he pretty much "had it all solved".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhmwcmOPemk

-Sab

still thinking

Had Abraham been Chinese (and I think he did travel from the far east), then the contract would have been with him and his descendants.

Well...that's just another guess isn't it?...but I like the way you state it as a fact. Lets just remove the bit your not sure of....

Had Abraham been Chinese then the contract would have been with him and his descendants.

the time and culture may explain WHY the story about hebrew favoruuritism was created, it doesnt change the fact that it is racist. as i demonstarted the dictionary quotation does not state that racist is culture or time dependent. your excuses are sadly blinded by some perveted attemot at excusing the hatred in the ot.

the simple fact is the ot is not about god, its primarily about the hebrews and their many problems primarily caused by being sandwiched by empires like egypt, assyria,'persian and rome to count a few. sometimes they were free, most of the time they were occupied. the priests and kings attempted to make up a story to justify their positions. there was no god helping them at stage. any proposition your may wish to assert cannot be proven by some honest means such as archeology. everyone likes to think they are special, im not condemning that, but we must accept the ot in particular has an agenda and a message. we can pretend and change the meanings of words but that doesnt chnage the fact we are not intended to read it. its old history for jews and has nothing practical to tell us.

nobody believes in the divine right of kings. do you honestly believe queen elizabeth and her family were given a special mandate by god to rule? of course not thats preposterous, well the jews assert the same thing.

you might be interested in looking up the indian abraham or brahma. that story is much older and has many identifable similarities. it is particularly interesti g that the wife of brahma's name akso starts with sara. lookup wiki if you wish. abraham is a copied fsble.

tec

Remove that part if you like... it is a guess on my behalf. But it doesn't change that the covenant was based on faith and not race. That is written. To make some other meaning is to put your own spin, based on what you might want to read into it. Considering that the 'flesh' counts for nothing, and considering that people of all tribes and nations are invited into the Kingdom... then the 'race' card kind of falls flat.

Peace,

Tammy

still thinking

If it is based on 'faith' why did he question hers? He would have been able to see her faith straight away. Or are you saying he was not able to do that? She was treated like that, not because of her lack of faith, but because she was not a jew/house of israel...whatever.

I am not the one putting my own spin on that. I am not the one making things up and saying he would have done the same if he had been chinese. And if he had been chinese, the result would have been the same wouldn't it. You're not chinese, away with you...ooops...now you have proven your faith I might change my mind even though you aren't chinese.

The first reaction is based not on faith but on race.

tec

You are not hearing me, or I am not being clear, because the above is not what I have said. I'll go through it so we can clear it up, hopefully.

If it is based on 'faith' why did he question hers?

The covenant God made with Abraham and his descendants was based on the faith of Abraham.

The woman was treated with silence (at first) because of her race, but because she was not part of that covenant, and Christ came in fulfillment to a covenant - a promise - between God and Israel. The offer was to them, first. As we can see that offer e x tends to everyone, but it was granted to them first based on that promise. That covenant/contract.

If God cannot uphold his end of a promise, then how could anyone trust Him to keep his word on anything?

Peace,

tammy

tec

Also, Still, if it was race and not the promise and covenant... then why could others who were not natural born of Israel become Israel, and be included IN that covenant? If it had to do purely with race, then how could someone of another race join? Does that make sense?

mP

@tec

im sorry abraham did not have much faith, he let not one but two kings have tneir way with sarah his sister. in the case of npharoah he eventually told him they were married after which he was paid as c ompensation. is thast an example of faith? pimping your sister becsuse your so called god was too weak todo anything to help? the strange thing is exact same thing happened to abimalech(sp). so thats basically two examples of weak or non existant faith. you have been reading too msny porkies from the wts and ignoring the story oresented in genesis. read the bible dont believe what others tell you.

if you want scriotures ask.

mP

@tec

the original'promise was racist as it was limited to just jews. your commentary about the promise being made to everyone is completely separate. the later promise to everyone has many differences with the original promise to abraham. they are two separate contracts made to two different groups of people. the later idea doesnt change the fact that the first contract used race as a selection criteria.

god has broken many promises. there are scriptures where it says king davids line will always rule. history has shown this to be a lie. the scripture does not mention any conditions it just states that statement alone. whtever answer i know you will give is something invented by man many years later, thst is cvompleteky not found in the bible.

god has never kept a single promise, because he doesnot exist. all the grand events in the ot, are made up. history shows the jews never amounted to a great power. there was no grand empire of david and solomon, from the nile to the euphrates. god only existed between the heads of the lying priests who were trying to con the locals with their stories or holy writings.

mP

@tec

i know the woman was not jewish, thst doesnt excuse jesus, he was still motivated by racial prejudice in thst one moment. iknow the abrahamic covenant story, that maybe jesus motivation it however doesnt change the fact he was racist.

if a klansman spits on a black, its racism, i dont care who told him it was fine. theres no avoiding the facts!

Is Biblical Morality Situational, Based Upon the Arbitrary Whims of Yahweh?

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