Is Biblical Morality Situational, Based Upon the Arbitrary Whims of Yahweh?

by leavingwt 268 Replies latest jw friends

  • SweetBabyCheezits
    SweetBabyCheezits
    SBC: Are you high right now?
    Sab: Yes, and if you are interested into why I would say I need to write you a book.

    No book or explanation necessary, Sab. I have nothing against weed or those who enjoy it - in fact, I'm downright envious. I was just curious if you were high at the moment you wrote some of the riddle-ish stuff earlier.

    Wait, did you just use a passage from Psalms to call me deceptive and wicked?

  • N.drew
    N.drew
    like King David, who killed hundreds of thousands but ... well, who was that righteous murderer nice to?

    King David killed one man that I am aware of. By saying he is a murderer for killing hundreds of thousands in war time would be judging the many combat troops today who have killed enemy troops as murderers too, wouldn't it? Are you a pacifist EntirelyPossible?

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    That is a very accurate way to describe Karma, but as Mr Ledger and Nolan taught us, "Why so serious?"

    Great question. Why ARE you so serious about such a silly subject? Why do you devote so much time defending so many contradictory things? Is it genetic? Is there a scripture for that?

    I'm glad to see that we are on the same page. I'd hate to ask you to reread the whole thing.

    Then it should be easy for you to provide the scripture. Or admit you are wrong.

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    No book or explanation necessary, Sab. I have nothing against weed or those who enjoy it - in fact, I'm downright envious. I was just curious if you were high at the moment you wrote some of the riddle-ish stuff earlier. Wait, did you just use a passage from Psalms to call me deceptive and wicked?

    You would have to have had my trauma and have my chemical imbalances for it to be even possible to relate. No the psalms was not directed at you, but rather the next scripture I am focusing on in my therum about Noah and unnatrual selection. So much is packed into it it just neede to be there like a bumper sticker. No ill intended, friend.

    -Sab

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    Great question. Why ARE you so serious about such a silly subject? Why do you devote so much time defending so many contradictory things? Is it genetic? Is there a scripture for that?

    http://pleated-jeans.com/2009/11/09/how-to-beat-a-dog-in-a-foot-race/

    -Sab

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    Or admit you are wrong.

    You are the liar, not I said the fly.

    -Sab

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    When they fly can produce the scripture, I'll talk to it. For you're in the spotlight. Can you back up your own words?

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    When they fly can produce the scripture, I'll talk to it. For you're in the spotlight. Can you back up your own words?

    I hope you read that article, it's imperative that you do. I did give a chapter in Psalms specifically verse six:

    And the words of the LORD are flawless,
    like silver purified in a crucible,
    like gold refined seven times.

    Characteristics of Gold

    Gold is the most malleable and ductile of all metals; a single gram can be beaten into a sheet of 1 square meter, or an ounce into 300 square feet. Gold leaf can be beaten thin enough to become translucent. The transmitted light appears greenish blue, because gold strongly reflects yellow and red. Such semi-transparent sheets also strongly reflect infrared light, making them useful as infrared (radiant heat) shields in visors of heat-resistant suits, and in sun-visors for spacesuits .

    Gold readily creates alloys with many other metals. These alloys can be produced to modify the hardness and other metallurgical properties, to control melting point or to create exotic colors (see below).Gold is a good conductor of heat and electricity and reflects infrared radiation strongly. Chemically, it is unaffected by air , moisture and most corrosive reagents, and is therefore well suited for use in coins and jewelry and as a protective coating on other, more reactive, metals. However, it is not chemically inert.

    Common oxidation states of gold include +1 (gold(I) or aurous compounds) and +3 (gold(III) or auric compounds). Gold ions in solution are readily reduced and precipitated out as gold metal by adding any other metal as the reducing agent. The added metal is oxidized and dissolves allowing the gold to be displaced from solution and be recovered as a solid precipitate.

    High quality pure metallic gold is tasteless and scentless, in keeping with its resistance to corrosion (it is metal ions which confer taste to metals).

    In addition, gold is very dense, a cubic meter weighing 19,300 kg . By comparison, the density of lead is 11,340 kg/m 3 , and that of the densest element, osmium, is 22,610 kg/m 3 .

    Color
    Different colors of Ag-Au-Cu alloys

    Whereas most other pure metals are gray or silvery white, gold is yellow. This color is determined by the density of loosely bound (valence) electrons; those electrons oscillate as a collective "plasma" medium described in terms of a quasiparticle called plasmon. The frequency of these oscillations lies in the ultraviolet range for most metals, but it falls into the visible range for gold due to subtle relativistic effects that affect the orbitals around gold atoms. Similar effects impart a golden hue to metallic caesium (see relativistic quantum chemistry).

    Common colored gold alloys such as rose gold can be created by the addition of various amounts of copper and silver, as indicated in the triangular diagram to the left. Alloys containing palladium or nickel are also important in commercial jewelry as these produce white gold alloys. Less commonly, addition of manganese, aluminium, iron, indium and ot

    Consider the words of Solomon's whos words are revered even today (not a whole lot by me though I personally don't care for his philosophy as a whole, but he is definitely noteworthy such as Paul's Epistles):

    Ecclesiastes 3 - 18 I also said to myself, “As for humans, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. 19 Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. 20 All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows if the human spirit rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?”

    22 So I saw that there is nothing better for a person than to enjoy their work, because that is their lot. For who can bring them to see what will happen after them?

    The fact that this kind of writing was a Jewish religious tenent is peculiar to me. It seems that Solomon and Dawkins could be friends.

    -Sab

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    This sheds further light to the story in 2 kings regarding 42 children allegedly killed by 2 bears.

    Elisha Is Jeered

    23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. 25 And he went on to Mount Carmel and from there returned to Samaria.

    Here is a good article that I agree with in regards to this account in the Second Book of Kings.

    Why did God kill 42 lads merely for saying Elisha was bald?

    by Matt Slick

    Why would God allow two bears to kill 42 young lads simply for saying Elisha was bald? Let’s take a look. Elisha was traveling from Jericho to Bethel when a group of young men verbally accosted him. 42 is a large number of people, and they were probably an organized group who had gone out to challenge Elisha. Their mockery implied a malicious intent; especially when the culture of the time insisted on showing respect to their elders. Furthermore, the statement “go up you baldhead!” has cultural significance. First of all, “go up” is probably a reference to Elisha’s predecessor, Elijah, ascending to heaven ( 2 Kings 2:11 ). In other words, they are stating they want Elisha gone; and since Elijah had gone on to the “next world,” the implication is they wanted Elisha dead. Also, the epithet ‘baldhead’ was one of “contempt in the East, applied to a person even with a bushy head of hair.” 1 Lepers had to shave their heads, so such a statement could easily have been a deliberate and malicious insult, something dangerous in a mob that can quickly get out of hand.

    Given the challenge of the youths, their intimidating number which could constitute a mob, their veiled threat, the contemptuous attitude, and the fact that Elisha was the prophet of God, the Lord allowed the youths to be destroyed.

    42 is the result of SEVEN sixes. So you could say that 42 is SIX refined SEVEN times.

    -Sab

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    I hope you read that article, it's imperative that you do.

    No, it's not imperitive.

    So, given all the time you've had, have you produced a scripture that shows God chose Abraham because of his genetics, that he was a grape or Noah was a puppy, as you claimed?

    42 is the result of SEVEN sixes. So you could say that 42 is SIX refined SEVEN times.

    Obves redux?

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