The Bible and Genetics

by sabastious 132 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    Ah, but if the maker of the universe is writing a book for us to follow, I would expect perfection. Scientifically accurate, Historically supported, and not wishy-washy, i.e. you can take bits you like and ignore bits you dont, and make them fit your own interpretation.

    God breathes Oracle Systems through sentient life whom have discovered math, logic and spirituality. Just like he makes plants in part with photosynthesis. God wrote the ancient cave wall paintings. I believe he works with where we are in the evolutionary timeline.

    Sab - I'm a bit lost on what any of your posts in this thread have to do with the title "The Bible and Genetics".

    The OP is an introduction to the subject. I will be writing Part I soon and post it in this thread. You are going to just have to wait on Sab.

    You made my brain hurt a little with that reply, but I'll read through it.

    Did I induce cognitive dissonance or something? If I did you should pay attention to why. Otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by experiencing pain.

    -Sab

  • cofty
    cofty

    You are going to just have to wait on Sab

    I'm on the edge of my seat mate!

  • Flat_Accent
    Flat_Accent

    God breathes Oracle Systems through sentient life whom have discovered math, logic and spirituality. Just like he makes plants in part with photosynthesis.

    Ok wait. You're saying God helps plants photosynthesize?? How do you know that? And furthermore, why can't plants photosynthesize themselves? It seems like they do a pretty good job on their own, doesn't it? I'd need some evidence of that. I'd need evidence that God did those cave paintings, too. You also said that God gives Oracle Systems to people who have discovered 'math, logic and spirituality' already. Why couldn't they figure out the Oracle System on their own? Has anything mankind discovered been done without Gods help? If not, then God also gave man the understanding of 'math, logic and spirituality', which makes this whole exercise completely pointless. If God is soley responsible for all the thoughts in our head then we are just pawns in a game that isn't even worth playing, because the match is already decided. And also I noticed you used the plural, so I have to ask, which Oracle System is correct? If all answers to life's big questions are God-given, then why are they all different? And why do many of them propogate eternal torture in hell if you disagree with their own Oracle System? They can not all be right, Sab.

    Your reasonings are very spurious and unfounded when it comes to the whole God business, I'm sorry to say. But I won't continue with this any further, the conversation has run its course as far as I'm concerned.

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    Your reasonings are very spurious and unfounded when it comes to the whole God business, I'm sorry to say. But I won't continue with this any further, the conversation has run its course as far as I'm concerned.

    I'm sorry to hear that. I like the way you think.

    You're saying God helps plants photosynthesize?? How do you know that?

    Because God is "I AM." He is me, he is you and his is photosynthesis. He is what empowers the ethnosphere of all existence. He was both the hand and the brain that created the ancient cave artists, but that means he was a cave man and had to work within that context and have a cave man's hopes and dreams. The process of which God brings us forward is not a mere hand out and never will be, that's just the ethnosphere for you. It takes incredible amounts of time and careful planning on the part of the intelligence creation to get to the right points where God can move us further. God works in tandem with all matter. God is in the way rodents evolved to be opportunists. God was the uterus you were formed in and everything that took that uterus to evolve. We owe it all to God and he asks very little in return. Simply that we follow our hearts. Anything less is cowardice and a misuse of the power of God. The Muslims have a very good saying, "God is in everything competent." I think that's a good rule of thumb.

    They can not all be right, Sab.

    No, they cannot, but we can measure competency. Competency is measured by first defining a directive. You and I are just not agreeing with what that directive is which is creating a gap between us.

    -Sab

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    PART I: The Adamic Strain, Men of Renown and the Unholy Trinity
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    There are three traits I have identifed in the Adamic Strain: Logic, Love and Independence. Genesis' Tree of Life means without measureable independence and the Tree of Good and Bad means with measureable independence. The exchange between YHWH, Adam, Eve and the Serpent provides clues as to what kind of traits the Adamic Strain contain.

    8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, “Where are you?

    10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.

    11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”

    12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.

    13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?

    The Adamic Strain

    The way YHWH treats Adam in this account is very telling. Adam demonstrates basic logic by using object permanence within an argument. He also displays love because he is afraid of being caught by his master. He exhibits love/fear of master like a boy hiding because he knew he did something that was going to evoke an unknown negative response from a respected authoritarian. He then uses logic again to explain himself out of guilt. YHWH accepts his testimony and then cross references with Eve who gives another logical explanation for behaviour. God is not playing games, but rather gathering data.

    The Serpent's motivations for his ruse are up for interpretation. Within this framework he has helped demonstrate the genetic trait of Independence. The Serpent showed that Adam and Eve used their logic and a warped form of Love of Beauty to exhibit the trait of independence. The Serpent was actually crowned king of the humans at that moment. It was like a father losing his prized daughter to a hooligan with a leather jacket and black sunglasses. God had to let go. The decision had been made and Adam and Eve chose to be with the Serpent. At that moment in the story the humans started their path to becoming the Dark One's reproduction farm for his world of "men of renown." This world was man-centric and involved a never ending cycle of whole civilizations battling to be the greatest, strongest and smartest of the earth. I believe that man used the world as mostly a hunting grounds for many melenia. We don't have many dinosaur bones, but if we had them all I bet we'd find some spear holes in spinal cords or something to that nature.

    The Enochian Anomaly

    As the battles raged on in the World of the Adamic Strain and the perpetual game of king of the hill progressed mostly in vanity YHWH watched it like a bad tv show that went on for too many seasons. He knew that Adam and Eve had Love built in them and that in their hearts they were good. But they were choosing to focus on Logic and Independence rather than Love. This was in part because of the Serpant's ongoing plans to keep the game going. The Bible speaks of God walking with Enoch and eventually taking him to the spirit realm before his time. This was because that Enoch lived within a world behind his time. He was showing early stages of what YHWH was looking for and it would have ended up just getting him killed by the locals in probably a bad way. Reuben in Genesis 37 is another example of a genetic anomaly with the Adamic Strain. Instead of killing his little brother like the rest wanted to do he suggests that they sell him to slavery. The feelings of bitter jealousy came from Adam along with the feelings of guilt, which came from love, that made Reuben change the plans. This is a good example of how the traits show up a little bit in the beginning and then come in full blown later on.

    The Unholy Trinity

    Three is an important number in the Bible. It seems to denote foundations of a sort for either good or evil. There are only three primary colors that make up all other colors in the universe. Genesis 18 is a good example:

    1 The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

    3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.”

    “Very well,” they answered, “do as you say.”

    Abraham was visted by a group of three men who spoke in unison. Jesus was visited by THREE wise men. Therefore I don't believe that the Trifekta of the Serpant, Eve and Adam is just a coincidence. It appears obvious to me that the imagry in Revelation speaks specicially of this three person group in highly evolved stages: The Dragon (the Serpent), the Drunken Harlot Riding a Scarlet Colored Wild Beast (Eve) and the False Prophet (Adam). This is paralleled in the Bible by the Holy Ghost, the Son of God and the Father. The Wild Beast is also broken into three sub categories: Beast of the Sea, Beast of the Earth and the Image of the Beast.

    Making the Way for the Noahic Strain

    The Serpent's game could not be stopped, but YHWH had said that he would use the Serpent's pieces to defeat him and win back what was rightfully his. A lot of pain and suffering came as a result of the game being started, which the blame so far lies completely with the Serpent and no one else. YHWH waits in anticipation for the arrival of a person who would exhibit the next phase of the genetic program which is defined by groups of traits.

    -Sab

  • mP
    mP

    I thought we were going to see a few scriptures.

    The Bible only has one real scripture about genetics where Jacob believes he can make some sheep black or white depending on what they see when their parents get busy. The background of the story is Jacob asks to be paid by Laban not a set quantity but wants the right to keep the spotted sheep or something similar.

    http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/ge/chapter_030.htm

    37 Then Jacob took for his use staffs still moist of the storax tree and of the almond tree and of the plane tree and peeled in them white peeled spots by laying bare white places which were upon the staffs. 38 Finally the staffs that he had peeled he placed in front of the flock, in the gutters, in the water drinking troughs, where the flocks would come to drink, that they might get into a heat before them when they came to drink.

    39 Consequently the flocks would get in heat before the staffs, and the flocks would produce striped, speckled and color-patched ones. 40 And Jacob separated the young rams and then turned the faces of the flocks to the striped ones and all the dark-brown ones among the flocks of La´ban. Then he set his own droves by themselves and did not set them by the flocks of La´ban. 41 And it always occurred that whenever the robust flocks would get in heat, Jacob would locate the staffs in the gutters before the eyes of the flocks, that they might get in heat by the staffs. 42 But when the flocks showed feebleness he would not locate them there. So the feeble ones always came to be La´ban’s, but the robust ones Jacob’s.

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    The Bible only has one real scripture about genetics where Jacob believes he can make some sheep black or white depending on what they see when their parents get busy. The background of the story is Jacob asks to be paid by Laban not a set quantity but wants the right to keep the spotted sheep or something similar.

    The blog will eventually cover the entire Bible, so there will be scriptures falling from the sky. However Roman's five is pretty telling:

    Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ

    12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

    13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.

    15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

    18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

    20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Sin is being described here as hereditary. It's why Original Sin cults not only exist, but thrive. They get their adherents to believe that there is nothing they can do, but inheritly sin. I believe that the only element out of our control is that we inherit the trait of independence, of which can be used to unite or to divide (our choice). Christ was about uniting together in our right of independence (liberty or death) through a bond of love. Yet, the Serpent is about using independence to set up classes of people (rich off the backs of the poor).

    -Sab

  • mP
    mP

    SAB

    Yet, the Serpent is about using independence to set up classes of people (rich off the backs of the poor).

    MP

    Im sorry the ancients did not associate snakes with the devil.

    - Snakes apparently flew before they were punished for lying to Eve

    - Jesus said snakes were wise.

    - Cadaceus, funny how pagans thought snakes were related to medicine just like Moses story of Nehustan(copper snake)

    - Seraphim = angels = flying snakes.

    - Levi comes from a root that means snake

    http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Levi.html#.T2gbPofxpTM

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    A snake has a forked tongue which represents speaking opposing things with the same mouth. It's good imagry for the concept of purposeful untruth with intent to decieve. Let's say you need a piece of information from me and I give you what I know to be untruth and then you unknowingly make a wrong judgement based off of it. What has happened is I have changed your destiny. It's a fundamental infringement upon you as fellow sentient life.

    -Sab

  • mP
    mP

    SAB

    A snake has a forked tongue which represents speaking opposing things with the same mouth. It's good imagry for the concept of purposeful untruth with intent to decieve. Let's say you need a piece of information from me and I give you what I know to be untruth and then you unknowingly make a wrong judgement based off of it. What has happened is I have changed your destiny. It's a fundamental infringement upon you as fellow sentient life.

    -Sab

    MP

    So a snake has a Y shaped tongue, so what ? Its only because of the xian influence on our society that we associate snakes with lies. In reality you have been taught that concept, the idea is just ludicrous just like the Eve believing the snake story. By making that statement, you still show that you to some extent still believe snakes are liars or can lie.

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