Victoria, Australia: A MUST READ-Transcript of audio recording of WT letter read to all Victoria congs Oct/Nov. 2011 re: Working With Children Act (page 8)

AndersonsInfo

I now have a copy of the audio recording of the WT letter read by elder Chris Thompson to the Traralgon Congregation of JWs in Victoria, Australia.

I have permission to post the audio tape of Chris Thompson reading the Watchtower Society’s letter to the Traralgon Congregation and it will soon be available to this discussion board to listen to. Then you all can express your opinions on the information in the letter itself and also on what you believe the reader said when he flubbed up a few times.

As far as I know, someone in Australia typed up the transcript and I'm not privy to that name. Please write to Steven Unthank and ask him, and also ask him any other questions that you feel need answering in the matter of the transcript. Contact Steven through www.jwnews.net

Marvin Shilmer offered his opinion of what he heard on the tape. Soon anyone who listens to the tape can offer their opinion which I hope should make for a stimulating discussion here on the board.

Barbara

sabastious

I can't prove it one way or the other so until it is (if ever), I have to accept that the possibility is there. It's possible it was an honest mistake...and it's possible it was on purpose so as to garner attention. I think raising the possibility of shenanigans is enough to allow each person to come up with their own opinion until such a time when the actual course of events is confirmed.

You said that a "small part of you" wonders about the possibility of shenanigans right after you said "it could have been an honest mistake." I don't personally see a problem with ruling out the possibility it was an honest mistake. It could have been a transmission from Mars. I mean, we don't know where it came from.

I agree that words on a forum aren't enough. This kind of thing requires verification or invalidation. It's pretty sensantional and I guess it should be considered invalid until verified. If an elder did use this type of language in such a setting it would be evidence of total congregational dissent. Which would be a major development in the Watchtower world.

-Sab

metatron

Um..... just putting two and two together here, in the context of speculation:

If this elder gave permission to reproduce the copy, does that say something about his future as an elder? Is it possible that he made certain verbal slips deliberately? Because he understands the corruption in this and is discreetly disgusted?

metatron

undercover

You said that a "small part of you" wonders about the possibility of shenanigans right after you said "it could have been an honest mistake."

Yes. That is correct A small part of me does wonder. I say "small part of me" because in the larger scheme of things, I really don't care. I haven't, nor will I, lose any sleep over it. I read the transcript, wondered about it, commented on it, and commented on Marvin's opinion. Outside of that, I'm not interested in bringing anyone to justice or joining a vendetta ride or joining a posse. It's just my opinion, worth about as much as a transmission from Mars.

james_woods

It's just my opinion, worth about as much as a transmission from Mars.

Manual or automatic transmission, Undercover?

undercover

Manual. No auto trannys in my stable of vehicles. (except my wife's car. which is probably just as well, 'cause I can't break her from using a cell phone while driving)

AndersonsInfo

Here's the link where you can listen to the tape.

http://www.watchtowernews.org/ wwc letter read out at traralgon congregation.m4a

To start this discussion off about the "flubs," the following is our opinion: When we listened to the tape many times, it sounded to us like the elder, Chris Thompson, doesn't say "perp." It sounds like he just flubbed and said “per” when he started to say “publisher’s personal ministry. But that’s open to debate upon closer analysis by others.

However, in the next flub, to us the word "borg" is quite clear. We don't believe that here Thompson's blunder can be explained away like the first one, which perhaps was a slip of the tongue, because Thompson said “a representativeof the borg” when he should have read after the words, “a representative,” these words: “or a volunteer ofthe Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia.”

It's a bit difficult in our minds for anyone to mistakenly say "of the borg" versus "or a volunteer" but anything is possible. So in our opinion, we lean with the person who typed the transcript in the matter "of the borg."

Barbara and Joe

tec

I listened to it. Doesn't sound like borg to me. Sounds like a stumble, same as the first one. I'm sorry, but I don't hear 'borg' at all. At most I hear "brr".

Peace,

tammy

undercover

Just listened to it myself.

I agree with the Andersons on the first one. It's a slip of the tongue. A "flub".

The second one. That one is interesting. I listened to it several times and while thought I did hear the word "borg", it's hard for me to say for sure that that's what it really was. But, once it was said, he seemed to catch himself, then whistle (as if in, "Oh shit...did I ever fuck up") and then covered by saying, "I'll read that again". I do have to say...that one's pretty damning on the surface. I'm curious as to what others hear when they listen...

tec

Well, maybe I'll try and listen to it again later, when no one is around distracting with other noises.

Victoria, Australia: A MUST READ-Transcript of audio recording of WT letter read to all Victoria congs Oct/Nov. 2011 re: Working With Children Act

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