Let's Discuss Ray Franz's Books

by Recovery 131 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    By now, I hope we are all used to the occasional troll who does a thread precisely like this to suck on negative energy. There are some JWs who do this. Expect more, not less.

    Does anyone read the viewer comments on news articles on sites like CNN? There are tons of sad, vindictive, and hateful cowards who never leave their house, but can't wait to bask in the anonymity of their parents basement to spew crap precisely to look for someone who takes these idiots too seriously.

    Count Recovery among that group. A coward with no life who posts garbage in his tighty wightys as bait to validate his pathetic existence.

    Comment if you want, but don't be immature and argue with this guy. He's just here to upset you.

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    Sad to say, I agree with ALLTIMEJEFF - RECOVERY has blown his cover by the language he used & its tone.

    This individual is probably not a serving Witness, and is therefore just some lonely individual who seeks attention by being provocative to both sides of a debate.

    On the other hand, he could very well be a little 'spanner in the works', deliberately trying to disrupt open discussions concerning Bible doctrines - something the G.B. has stated it does not condone! (KM Sept. 2007)

    Whatever the case - goodbye RECOVERY, and keep taking the medication!

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Recovery out in service:

    Recovery: Hello, and good morning! I am in a voluntary Bible educational work. I would like to ask if you feel that the Bible has practical information for us today?

    Mr. Householder: No, the bible is just a bunch of rhetoric!!

    Recovery: May I ask kind sir, have you ever read the Bible in its entirety?

    Mr. Householder: No, the bible is just a bunch of rhetoric!!

    Recovery: Do you feel that is a fair judgment since you have not even read the Bible?

    Mr Householder: Your not the boss of me!!! Get lost you circular reasoning, non-thinking, rhetoric spreading rabble rouser!! Rhetoric I tell ya!!!

    Recovery: Have a good day sir.

    ( back at the car group )

    Brother Mc Doitall: Well Recovery, that looked like it went well.

    Recovery: Not really ( sniff,sniff ) He thought the Bible was a bunch of rhetoric..

    Brother Mc Doitall: Has he read the bible himself?!

    Recovery: No!! He is a real self-righteouss douche and a hypocrite!! ( sniff,sob,sniff )

    Brother Mc Doitall: There, there Recovery, don't worry. That A-Hole will get whats coming to him for being a hypocrite!!! Thank God we don't behave that way by passing judgment when we haven't even read something!!! HAHHAHAHAHA!!!

    Recovery: Yeah!! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    Rest of car group: YEAH! ( group laughter)

    Recovery: Let's hit Starbucks, defending truth make me thirsty!!

    DATA-DOG

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Good one Data-Dog

    Well Recovery still waiting to discuss Ray Franz's books ,

    you know you just cant trust a JWS for anything they say

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    Smart Little Baby says:

    you know you just cant trust a JWS for anything they say

    Maybe Recovery should fully consider the implications of what he offers before he speaks, considering the fine example offered by Jephthah, in Judges 11:

    30 Jephthah made a vow to the L ORD and said, “If You will indeed give the sons of Ammon into my hand, 31 then it shall be that whatever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me when I return in peace from the sons of Ammon, it shall be the L ORD ’ S, and I will offer it up as a burnt offering.”

    Now my BS Alarm is at 'Code Red': I know dramatic foreshadowing when I see it.... Like what could possibly come out to greet him? His favorite pet goat? A friendly sheep or cow will come wandering out from the living room? Or possibly his wife, or <gasp!> his daughter?

    32 So Jephthah crossed over to the sons of Ammon to fight against them; and the L ORD gave them into his hand. 33 He struck them with a very great slaughter from Aroer to the entrance of Minnith, twenty cities, and as far as Abel-keramim. So the sons of Ammon were subdued before the sons of Israel. 34 When Jephthah came to his house at Mizpah, behold, his daughter was coming out to meet him with tambourines and with dancing. Now she was his one and only child; besides her he had no son or daughter. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes and said, “Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low, and you are among those who trouble me; for I have given my word to the L ORD , and I cannot take it back.”

    Sheeze, Jephthah: blame the victim much? It's clearly ALL about Jephthah in his little world...

    36 So she said to him, “My father, you have given your word to the L ORD ; do to me as you have said, since the L ORD has avenged you of your enemies, the sons of Ammon.” 37 She said to her father, “Let this thing be done for me; let me alone two months, that I may go to the mountains and weep because of my virginity, I and my companions.” 38 Then he said, “Go.” So he sent her away for two months; and she left with her companions, and wept on the mountains because of her virginity.

    In his defense, note she DOES gives consent to be the murder victim.

    39 At the end of two months she returned to her father, who did to her according to the vow which he had made; and she had no relations with a man. Thus it became a custom in Israel, 40 that the daughters of Israel went yearly to commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in the year.

    Child sacrifice is a loverly thing, isn't it?

    And remember: the reason child sacrifice was acceptable in Jephthah's case is found in verse one:

    1 Now Jephthah the Gileadite was a valiant warrior, but he was the son of a harlot.

    Obviously Jephthah was a vile bastard....

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    There are several biblical admonitions to avoid arguing with a fool.....

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    jgnat said:

    There are several biblical admonitions to avoid arguing with a fool.....

    Ah, yeah? PROVE IT!!!

    (Here's where Jgnat simply has to ignore me, and she wins by avoiding arguing with someone she considers a fool.... Dammit, me and my big mouth!!)

  • Recovery
    Recovery

    Of course I'm a troll. I'm probably also a brainwashed cult fanatic who worships the Governing Body and puts them on par with Jehovah's word found in the Bible. Throw around any ridiculous assertion about me you want. Who I am is of no importance. I simply wanted to engage in a discussion about these books and all I got was a bunch of insults/rhetoric/questions following many more questions. I work full time and pioneer. I am not able to respond immediately to every question/statement made by the members of this board. I have debated honestly in all my threads, as my long posts show in responding to a barrage of questions everytime I talk, so I am definitely not a troll who just stirs up trouble.

    Responses/refutations/everything coming in a few hours after I get some sleep. Trolls need sleep too dont they?

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    First you say you're not a troll then you say you're off to sleep cuz trolls need sleep too. I think you're confused.

  • Joey Jo-Jo
    Joey Jo-Jo

    What would you like to engage in?

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