Why aren't you an Atheist?

by Bloody Hotdogs! 697 Replies latest jw friends

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  braincleaned

  Well, I can respect anyone's beliefs - as long as they are peaceful of course. I understand the urge to defend a King, a God, or any other of the thousands of deities that fill human culture. I too, am a very passionate defenser of my choice of belief. I will strongly defend logic, reason, and hard evidence.
  
  This is why I'm an atheist. This is why I love epistomology. Words. Semantics... I am hungry for accurate knowledge - and of course, the more I know, the more questions. As Socrates put it so well " I know one thing, that I know nothing". Indeed, we all die ignorant of much.
  
  This is why I do not relate to those who are stagnant and still consider a 2,000 year old book to hold the absolute Truth. I would certainly not follow it's 2,000 year old medical advice!

  But hey, we all have a perspective. What we should question is our vantage point. Nose on the tree - or looking down on the forest? One needs no action - the latter is work.
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  sabastious

  He was a Psycopath

  Hey Outlaw, thanks for working with me instead of using ridicule. When you live a life like mine you learn not to listen to ridicule because it's too often not a clear picture of yourself. It does "get to me" sometimes, however and it's a failing on my part. Anyway, I will look into the "forensic bible theologians" because that sounds fascinating.

  When I started talking about Moses notice that I said it was allegory. I do not believe the Moses of the Torah is the Moses that actually lived. However I do beleive the character of Moses is mythology that's based off the real life man. According to the theory Moses had an early self confidence issue. As KS mentioned Moses was written about to be man of powerful words and deeds. A far cry from a man who was "not eloquent and slow of speech and tongue." That's why I believe the CHARACTER of Moses used an excuse when being approached by God, because he doubted himself. I do believe he was a glorious warrior that maybe had an untimely end. I see him as no different than Draco of Athens who was a brutal dictator, but a brilliant man nonetheless. In the modern landscape however dictators are not well liked and rightly so. However we needed these ancient brutes to pave the way for people like you and I to enjoy the fruits we do. I decide to commemorate Moses, as well as Draco, as ancient peices of the large puzzle of life. A puzzle that you and I are also a part of.

  -Sab
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  OUTLAW

  Hey Sab..

  Listening to Educated Theologians will help you understand the stories..

  Behind the Biblical People you are interested in..

  It will give you a better grasp of what actually happened back then..

  It`s not the Fairy Tale Bible Stories you usually hear..

  ....................... ...OUTLAW
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  still thinking

  But anti-theists are attacking the IDEA of God. Well, ideas are the final frontier, so if you erase God from there then you really did get Him....sab

  So god is NOTHING but an idea?

  Erase the idea, erase God?

  Geese...you really are speaking like an atheist sab...LOL
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  EntirelyPossible

  Oh please remove yourself from the bandwagon, you know you are just not thinking clearly. I honestly cannot believe how many people are swayed by raw testosterone

  Oh Sabby, a failed attempt at chastising people for not loving a failed cause is just sad. Move on, man. Move on, move up, grow a set, act like an adult.

  KS, your interpretation of Exodus is wrong, just like your interpretation of the YHWH character is wrong.

  Fail, Sabby. There is no need to interpret Exodus. It's a story, no different from the BS you make up and pass off as truth. There is no hidden message, not secret decoder ring hidden in the story just waiting 4000 years for a very very special person named Sabby to find it and decode it for all of humanity to see. I say that for two reasons 1) God was an ass, he would just kill anyone who didn't get it on the spot and 2) He sure as hell wouldn't pick someone named Sabby.

  Other than he has a large bazooka pointed directly on God's forehead.

  Wrong. I don't give a shit about imaginary gods.

  Nonetheless I don't think this particular interpretation is unique to me.

  You endorse slavery, think the Torah talks about genetics and believe that cutting off baby foreskins is the same as gravity because God. Who, besides you, thinks that?

  To give some perspective on why I am just so combative on this issue is that I actually believe my religion. I don't think there are many people in my culture who actually believe in what they say they do. They may totally feel like they do, but reality and what we perceive as reality are obviously seperate perspectives.

  Ah, so you think YOU are the true Christian above all others.

  Damn shame Christ said he who is first is last. You seem to think you are above all others, meaning, according to Jesus, you are the least thing to him. According to Jesus, you should get away from him because he doesn't and never will know you.

  I have mentioned your hubris, your pride, your superiority ideas many times. Perhaps now you will realize how you are forcing Jesus to abandon you for your puffed up ways, your pride, your presumption that you are above others in in your devotion, when, in a sad version of reality, you are only devoted to the demented ideas of your own making.

  Jesus will accept you back, all you have to do is humble yourself. Can you do it is the only question.
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  EntirelyPossible

  However we needed these ancient brutes to pave the way for people like you and I to enjoy the fruits we do.

  Ah, so you want others to be brutal on your behalf so you can go on on about how you are abused. Such a shame those you feel are ncessary for your perverted version of the world to exist would be the first rid the world of you. What a conundrum.
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  NewChapter

  Well you use the argument that everyone else is wrong if they don't agree with your very particular interpretation of scripture. Have you noticed that?

  Which is interesting, because we all think we are right about things along the way, but I've noticed that you change quite often. And yet, every single time, you are absolutely right, and it is everyone else that does not understand. I've pretty much remained steady. I am an atheist because I see no proof of gods. If that proof is ever unearthed, I will give it a second look. But for you, it is so much different. You are always right, and you are always changing. How can that be?

  I may not be spiritual enough to understand the answer, but it is still rather interesting.
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  NewChapter

  You use the argument "it's impossible" a lot, you ever notice that?

  The above was in response to this comment by Sab. I have paste issues.

  BTW---when I saw the inkblot, I saw a dog or wolf. Maybe because I had just watched a bunch of dog videos. But then when KS said beheaded angel and pornographic, I saw that too.
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  sabastious

  Which is interesting, because we all think we are right about things along the way, but I've noticed that you change quite often. And yet, every single time, you are absolutely right, and it is everyone else that does not understand. I've pretty much remained steady. I am an atheist because I see no proof of gods. If that proof is ever unearthed, I will give it a second look. But for you, it is so much different. You are always right, and you are always changing. How can that be?

  I don't say everyone else is wrong, I say that I am NOT wrong. It's like a scientist who sticks to a claim even though his peers don't like it. If I am shown concrete evidence that I am wrong I will refine my position. The problem is many want to define FOR ME what is concrete. I'm not saying you are wrong, I am saying I am right. There is a big difference. I don't understand why you say I have changed my beliefs because I have not. You act like I went from black to white and don't seem to be aware of it which is a distorted view of my situation. When I came to this forum I told everybody I was a Deist because I was. I refined my ideas into theism and they continue to refine. It's been a slow and steady process not back and forth and inconsistant. I think your bias is showing right now pretty strongly. Have you read my Atheism->Deism->Theism thread? That is describing the process I went through. It disappoints me that you continue to paint me with your own set of brushes. You don't seem to respect my position, which is fine, but I already know that you don't, but for whatever reason you have to keep showing me that you don't. I don't respect anti-theist's opinion, but I don't go around trying to smear them, I just present my opinion which usually inflames the unbelievers (they never admit it though because they "never" get mad about their beliefs...). All you do is read and get offended, I think it's kind of funny.

  -Sab
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  NewChapter

  You endorse slavery. Tec says Christ would reject that. Who is the true Christian?

  Tec is wrong on this one.

  Sab, you actually do tell people they are wrong, and therefore you are right. Right here you are telling Tec, a fellow believer, that she is wrong. So don't pretend that you don't do that, because I can pull up endless examples if you dig in, and then this will become about me proving over and over that you tell people all the time that they are wrong. You do not simply tell them you are right.

  And that's what's interesting. Because what you believe today will not be what you believe in a year, but you are right and everybody that disagrees is wrong. I did not say you moved back and forth (flip/flop) I said you changed and you will continue to change. I don't care what direction you move in, in 2 months you will disagree with your today self. I guess you were right both times?

  I read you OP the atheist/deists/theists on another forum. I don't believe I commented on either thread. It was more of the same. Basically where you are is further along than where the atheist/deist is, and atheists have ceased being enlightened, and you've moved on to a higher and superior level on the spectrum. What's to comment on? Just more of Sab being Sab and making all the superior choices so that he can then condescend to those around him, especially the atheists.

  I witnessed you telling a group of atheists that you were superior to them, and that ALL believers (no matter what their belief) were superior to atheists. So don't come bitching to me about being painted with a broad brush. Offended? I think you overestimate my emotion here. You want to be challenged, so I challenge you, but I don't lose any sleep over it. As I said, it's just Sab being Sab---random inconsistent ideas that are not fully formed and lots and lots of attitude.