Why aren't you an Atheist? (page 46)

sabastious

To give some perspective on why I am just so combative on this issue is that I actually believe my religion. I don't think there are many people in my culture who actually believe in what they say they do. They may totally feel like they do, but reality and what we perceive as reality are obviously seperate perspectives. The way I see it is there is a King, plain and simple. That King is ruling and that King is also under attack. That King is God, so when people say, "There is no God" I see my King being at the very least encroached upon, so I act. I am not trying to cut off anyone's head as Peter did in the Gospel story. I use words, which is what I think the Bible means when it says "fire." This fire that the New Testament speaks about that consumes the earth is not a fiery doom for anyone. It's a METAPHOR FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! We beat our swords into plow sheers, but that doesn't mean we don't have arguments. What do you think the spirit realm is? A bunch of ideas, some are opposed and some are not. How does that resolve? Well, you got us, for one, we resolve those ideas physically. But anti-theists are attacking the IDEA of God. Well, ideas are the final frontier, so if you erase God from there then you really did get Him. So that's why I get so worked up, because I actually believe that God is the King, and the King is being attacked, so I act.

-Sab

sabastious

sabastious, I don't know how much you know EntirelyPossible - but if he/she (sorry, I dunno) is anything like me - the poor and less priviledged are helped. In fact, many of my fellow atheist friends do work hard in soup kitchens and even worldwide. It's because the game is indeed rigged that those who still make it don't forget those with less luck. Atheists don't wait on god(s) - we are usually humanists too. Not all, but many. So I don't negate the good some religions do, but just to be fair, do not assume atheists are not concerned by Humanity.

EntirelyPossible says that I don't know him, so I have to default to that. So, not very much. Other than he has a large bazooka pointed directly on God's forehead. I wonder why bother!

-Sab

OUTLAW

Hey BrainCleaned..

Thanks..Lots more laughs to come..

Sab..

Bud,you have to do more research..

Moses never felt inferior..

He was Royalty and had the Education to go along with it..

He was also one of the Best War Tacticians of his time..

He was Literally a Killing Machine..

Someone like that,does not feel Inferior..

..................... ...OUTLAW

sabastious

Outlaw, I was talking about when he was with God as the burning bush. He betrayed his own people by murdering one of them and fleeing into the wilderness. Then God comes to him and says you are my main man. Then Moses questions God's choice. The real question is why did he question God? He doubted himself, because he felt inferior for such a lofty position, so he made an excuse. The particular excuse that he gave shows how his people actually treated him. He may have had a good life in Egypt, but he certainly was not fulfilled or else he wouldn't have ran away in the first place. This is actually a lesson in depression because Moses couldn't see the brilliance in himself that God made so abundantly clear by his choice of Moses as his new king. Moses was a broken man first and then he built up his self confidence and turned into the glorious king you mention. But he probably always doubted himself because in the end, as the story goes, he gave into pride, which is just self doubt in disguise.

-Sab

King Solomon

Uh, outlaw, ya' think Sab MAYYY be projecting just a teensy-weensie bit when he offers his "interpretations" of Bible passages? It's almost as if the Bible is actually a written version of a Rorschach Inkblot test?

(Oh, that one clearly is a beheaded angel with wings that is being forced to have... OMG, that one is downright pornographic!)

sabastious

KS, there is a difference between projecting into text and relating with text. Nonetheless I don't think this particular interpretation is unique to me. There is wild speculation as to what Moses' meant by "slow of speech and tongue" and I am sure someone has thought of it before I. He also said he wasn't eloquent, but then he wrote the Oral Law which was very eloquent.

-Sab

King Solomon

ESP when elsewhere the Bible speaks of Moses as being "powerful in words and deeds".

Even when people speak the same language, existing at the same time, thats no guarantee that they all agree on what words mean.

NOW, consider the perils of trying to interpret written language that is 3,000 yrs old, when looking thru the eyes of a modern person who knows next to NOTHING about the context in which it was written (and watching old gladiator movies doesnt count). Unless you understand the language, culture, customs, even slang, etc some of which is lost to moderns, it's going to be impossible to understand the original intent of the writers.

sabastious

NOW, consider the perils of trying to interpret written language that is 3,000 yrs old, when looking thru the eyes of a modern person who knows next to NOTHING about the context in which it was written (and watching old gladiator movies doesnt count). Unless you understand the language, culture, customs, even slang, etc some of which is lost to moderns, it's going to be impossible to understand the original intent of the writers.

You use the argument "it's impossible" a lot, you ever notice that?

-Sab

OUTLAW

Moses was a broken man first and then he built up his self confidence and turned into the glorious king you mention.....Sab

Hey Sab..

According to Educated Forensic Biblical Thelogians..

Moses was a Kick Ass Warrior but he was far from Glorious..

He was a Psycopath..

In the end his own men were so sick of the killing..

They killed Moses..

KS..

Rather than mock Sab..I prefer to work with him..

....................... ...OUTLAW

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