non believers what if your wrong ?

by unstopableravens 546 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  NewChapter

  cofty yes it was very bloody and horrible what he went through is 50-53 descibes it in a very detalied way. that still does not change the fact it is the only way for forgivness of sins,so wheter you like or love the arragment that what the cost was and he paid it.so we are talking about what christ did not why he had to do it.

  No. Actually it does nothing to change the fact that salvation is not a necessary component of life, or that there is no judgement or reward, there is this life. No matter how compelling the story, it will never make it true.
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  PSacramento

  Sin is a concept invented by religion to control people. I have no sin and neither do you.

  Wouldn't that depend on the definition of sin?

  I define sin as the desire/action to do what we know to be wrong.
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  cofty

  PS - I am sure it can be reconciled with the gospels but it must be very difficult to make it fit with a straightforward reading of Paul's letters.
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  NewChapter

  I did a paper on this view for my Theology class, my professor found it intersting to say the least. He mentioned a few other theolgians of the past that had similar views, so I wasn't alone and I certainly made my case in biblical terms ( cite passages and what not) but it is still a bit on the fringe of orthodoxy, to put it nicely.

  It's a quite common understanding in many forms. I received a pamphlet in my door about the Rapture. They left it because when the Rapture comes, they will not be around to tell me how to get my reward. It said that those that have faith in Christ now, will escape judgment and the Great Trib, but those left on earth, those that waited, those that refused to fall in line, would be judged on works because they rejected grace. And so, during the Great Trib they would be tortured in unspeakable ways, but they must not accept the number of the beast, because they have have rejected grace they must now endure or be lost.

  Of course, I could avoid all the unpleasantness if I just stopped being stubborn and evil.

  LOL

  No wonder the novels sell so well.
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  unstopableravens

  new chapter thats ur thoughts mine are completly different. since i do believe in sin cofty im thankful for what was done for me.
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  PSacramento

  PS - I am sure it can be reconciled with the gospels but it must be very difficult to make it fit with a straightforward reading of Paul's letters.

  Anyone in particular come to mind?

  New Chapter, I don't do "rapture" so...
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  cofty

  I define sin as the desire/action to do what we know to be wrong.

  I have never seen a definition of sin that did not involve an ultimate judge.

  I do and say things that I wish I had not but that isn't sin. I don't need the approval or forgiveness of a supernatural being. If I do wrong to somebody I need to put it right with them alone.
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  cofty

  since i do believe in sin cofty im thankful for what was done for me.

  Perhaps you need to go back a step and first consider why you trust the bible as a source of information about things you otherwise would not believe.

  Edited to add - Can you explain in your own words what was done for you? Let's explore that.
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  PSacramento

  sin

  1     [ sin ] Show IPA noun, verb, sinned, sin·ning. noun 1. transgression of divine law: the sin of Adam. 2. any act regarded assuch a transgression, especially a willful or deliberate violation of somereligious or moral principle. 3. any reprehensible or regrettableaction, behavior, lapse, etc.; great fault or offense: It's a sin to wastetime. World English Dictionary

  sin 1 (s?n)
  — n
  1.	theol
  	a. transgression of God's known will or any principleorlawregarded as embodying this
  	b. actual sinmortal sinoriginal sin See also venial sin the condition of estrangement from God arisingfrom such transgression
  2.	any serious offence, asagainst a religious or moral principle
  3.	any offence against a principleorstandard
  4.	informallive in sin (of an unmarried couple)tolivetogethe
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  PSacramento

  Damn formatting, LOL !