by cofty 106 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Outlaw - How would this idea of god look any different from no god at all?.....Cofty
Rather than being seperate from God..
We would be part of God..
Nothing to worship..No one to pray to..
No leaving the door open (even a tiny teeny crack)for the possibility of a God that is a Person..
Looking for answers from the inside,rather than outside ourselves..
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...OUTLAW
To me that sounds the same as no god at all.
I can't see the practical difference.
Consequences of human action is only one part of suffering Tammy.
Yes, I made a point of addressing that. But we don't stop even what we are responsible for.
Jesus contributed little if anything original.
People follow Him and do good based on His teachings.
But even that is not the point.
Can't blame someone else for the suffering man causes, when man does not listen or follow the teachings that would help to end that suffering (including that of the golden rule). At that point, the only person left to blame is the individuals causing the suffering (or turning a blind eye to the suffering when you could do something to alleviate it)
So while you might not agree with anything other than the two options you have listed... those two are not the only options out there.
Peace,
tammy
Tammy blames the victims as usual.
My point is that if there is a god he/she must ultimately be in control of just how much suffering achieves his purpose.
As a thought experiment imagine god's pain meter recording the total amount of suffering in the world since the dawn of Homo sapiens around 200 000 years ago.
How hard has he been working to reduce the level of suffering in all that time? Please remind me again Tammy.
Just got to point out sullas argument from the last page. In particular the explanation that if god prevented suffering --as in stopping a rape-- that would somehow open god up to the awfull possibility someone will ask him to iron his shirt; and god, apparently not the kind of guy who capable of taking things on a case-by-case basis, view it as two options:
1) prevent rapes, potentially iron shirts.
2) allow rape, do not iron shirt.
And option two is apparently the better.
Apolegetica fail!
Tammy blames the victims as usual.
Lol.
Tammy blames the person causing the suffering.
My point is that if there is a god he/she must ultimately be in control of just how much suffering achieves his purpose.
Why?
a) Why must he/she be in control of that?
b) How do you know that suffering achieves his purpose?
c) How do you know that it is not man who chooses the hard way to learn... (through suffering)... rather than God choosing that way?
d) Why can suffering not simply be a consequence of the actions of those who cause it? Cause and effect?
As a thought experiment imagine god's pain meter recording the total amount of suffering in the world since the dawn of Homo sapiens around 200 000 years ago.
How hard has he been working to reduce the level of suffering in all that time? Please remind me again Tammy.
Not talking about physical ailments.
I already told you that I am speaking of the suffering man causes himself, others, and his environment... and all the effects that carries. When mankind ceases that... then there might be a reason to complain. But until mankind ends that, then suffering will continue no matter what could change about physical circumstances.
Peace,
tammy
We don't have the power to end all the suffering in this world. But we could at least end that which we cause, ourselves. We just don't. As long as that
remains, no matter what God wants for us, and no matter what he has taught or continues to teach through his Son, we will continue to suffer.
Let's suppose we all followed Christ's Law, and mitigated suffering as much as humanly possible. We still have a whole series of natural events that are against our happiness, our health, and our survival. Love and kindness isn't going to stop disease, earthquakes, predation, tsunamis, volcanic erruptions, and the avalanche of other innumerable threats we face. Love and kindness is great and all, but it's not how the world works.
To me that sounds the same as no god at all..I can't see the practical difference..Cofty
Right now you and I both leave the possibility open,for a God..
Although we define ourselves differently..
Atheist..Agnostic..
Knowing we were part of God and God is not a person..
Would allow us to have closure about the subject..
No need to leave the door open for the Possibilty of "A" God..
Until there is solid proof of anything..
You will remain Skeptic..
I`ll continue to not know either way..
.......................... ... OUTLAW
Tammy - I don't care that you want to change the question to one that is less damaging to the image of your impotent god. In fact I expect you to do so.
Cofty, you never really addressed this important point I brought up in the first page, regardless of how bad an apologist I am.
Why does God allowing pain constitute a judgment against him? What about is it about suffering that merits condemning God? What if there is purpose to the suffering, in the grand scheme of things?
The 'meter' you propose is something subjective. How can you accurately measure pain/suffering?
