Does God's foreknowledge take away from free will?

by Christ Alone 317 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    The answer to the OP title is, no.

    Agreed. God has no foreknowledge.

    I know that my child will choose to NOT do his homework, if given a choice between that and video games.

    Until the day he decides unexpectely differently. Then you will look back on this thread, realize you had, not knowledge, but a reasonable reason to expect him to make a certain choice and he grew into a different choice you didn't know he would make.

    Then you will rationalize that thought away into how awesome God it.

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    I know my son pretty well...but I wouldn't presume to know his every move before he makes it. I could guess, based on past behaviour and choices..and be right. But I wouldn't know. And I might just as easily be wrong.

  • bobld
    bobld

    Not sure if this applies:

    God is sitting on top of a mountain.Every day he can see cars from hundreds of miles away.

    Ever time they come around the corner of the mountain they hit a blind spot, meet head on,everyone is killed.

    The drivers are free to choose this road and God can see all the dead.Accept for one thing GOD buildt the road.

  • tec
    tec

    Agreed. God has no foreknowledge.

    You know that is not what the OP title asked about ;)

    Until the day he decides unexpectely differently. Then you will look back on this thread, realize you had, not knowledge, but a reasonable reason to expect him to make a certain choice and he grew into a different choice you didn't know he would make.

    Well, hopefully one day my child will surprise me. If I am paying attention, I might be expecting it when it happens. But like I said, and according to who he is right now and where he is right now... he would choose the games.

    Then you will rationalize that thought away into how awesome God it.

    Are you proving my point for me? If you know that I will do this... are you taking away from my free will TO do it?

    We, as humans, miss a lot in others... because our perspective is extremely limited. God is not so limited.

    If some people are predictable to US, with our limited experiences... how much more so to God?

    Peace,

    tammy

  • Christ Alone
    Christ Alone

    Still thinking, true. But you are also a mutable human. That's why these comparisons fail under consideration. We do not and cannot know the future in our human and non spiritual position. God, however, is not physical, and hence is not bound by it

  • tec
    tec

    but I wouldn't presume to know his every move before he makes it

    Neither would I. Nor did I do this. There is far too much about him that I don't know. But even with the limited knowledge that i have... there are some decisions that i know he will make.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    God, however, is not physical, and hence is not bound by it

    According to the Bible God is.

    I think you missed my point that your analogy logically leads to God not having actual foreknowledge, Tec.

  • Christ Alone
    Christ Alone

    You forgot th scripture that God is a spirit, EP?

  • tec
    tec

    I think I missed it because I don't see how you arrive at your point.

    Please explain.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    Still thinking, true. But you are also a mutable human. That's why these comparisons fail under consideration. We do not and cannot know the future in our human and non spiritual position. God, however, is not physical, and hence is not bound by it.

    So you say...and you seem to know god better than me, I've never met one or asked one. So I'll concede that point.

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