by mP 302 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
TEC:
I have not made anything up. It is all written.
mP:
You do make things up, you often fail to quote the bible when challenged. The accusation of making things up from my perspective comes after you fail to give teh scripture , not before. I always give the opportunity.
Im still waiting for what Mat 5:17 means...according to you.
Jesus in Mat 5:17 says the law must never change and will last forever.
I'm not sure what version bible you are using, but in every verse on bible.cc, it is clear that He says that change will come.
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.Peace,
tammy
In case that was not clear enough, Christ accomplished what He was sent here to do.
peace,
tammy
I was quoting the NWT. Even if he said change will come, he didnt give the replacement. So what is the replacement, where did he say something new and say this is the replacement ?
I know your going to quote the love thy neighbour scripture, but thats flawed as i have shown. Its no way near complete and can be thought of as a replacement.
You do make things up, you often fail to quote the bible when challenged. The accusation of making things up from my perspective comes after you fail to give teh scripture
It is not dishonest to not quote a specific verse for you. I could do it... it just slows down a conversation because I know what is in there, and I would expect that you do as well... if you are using that same bible to judge Christ and God as something bad.
(okay, actually that is sarcasm... I do not think you know the bible well at all. So I will start to quote to back my statements, so that you see that I am not 'making up stories'. But really, you should know them already, if you are using that book to make condemnations)
peace,
tammy
TEC:
It is not dishonest to not quote a specific verse for you. I could do it... it just slows down a conversation because I know what is in there, and I would expect that you do as well... if you are using that same bible to judge Christ and God as something bad.
mP:
I agree its slow things down, but if the other side asks then its fair to fetch it for all to see.
I dont know why i was using the NWT, i was just was, i thought people trusted it to some extent.
Im not judging Christ and God, im judging the book which makes false claims in its entirety. The proof is stuff like lies, bad science, bad laws and many other examples which show it is the product of man. A clever god who created the universe who not write down a law like the rape one which anyone can see will be abused. Thats an insult to such a character.
You might not appreciate it, but im actually defending God here, by not accepting garbage like the Bible.
TEC:
But really, you should know them already, if you are using that book to make condemnations)
MP:
I only question you when i am confused. I wouldnt waste your time for the obvious. The problem with the BIble is that it is its own worst enemy. Like i think Mark Twain said , the best way to not believe is to read the bible. Unfortuantely thats very true. The more you read the more you see the mistakes that no creator of the universe could make. If God can create the universe surely he can write a book without confusion and not requiring exogenesis.
I was quoting the NWT. Even if he said change will come, he didnt give the replacement. So what is the replacement, where did he say something new and say this is the replacement ?
HE is the replacement. FAITH in Him.
Here are some verses to help you see that.
"I am the way, the Truth, and the Life." John 14:6
"You diligently study the scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about me, and yet you refuse to come to me to have life." John 5:39,40
"This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to Him." Luke 9:35
"The law was a tutor to bring us to Christ." Galatians 3:24
"Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law." Galatians 3:25
Any number of writings will speak to those who are saved, not by the law, but by faith. The law does not save anyone. The law was merely a tutor until Christ came. It is Christ we look to. Christ who teaches us. He clarified matters of the law, showed where some laws were not in truth, but were given due to the hard-heartedness of the people; emphasized that mercy and love and forgivness were the important matters, and that all else stems from them. And He practiced what He preached. He left, giving his disciples on final command... to love one another as He loved them. He did not stone anyone, on the one occasion where people meant to use the law to condemn the innocent. (matt 12:1-8) Or on the occassion where the law said to stone an adulteress. (John 8:7-11) He showed mercy instead.
The hundreds of laws also did not apply to gentiles. Those were Jewish laws. The two were not made one under the law... but the two were made one in their faith in Christ.
Peace,
tammy
You might not appreciate it, but im actually defending God here, by not accepting garbage like the Bible.
Well, then that would be one thing that we have in common... in that we do not think the bible is perfect or inerrant. Not the Word of God, or the Truth, or the Life, or the Image of God. Those titles belong to just One... and that is Christ.
I only question you when i am confused. I wouldnt waste your time for the obvious.
Fair enough. I will move forward with this in mind.
The problem with the BIble is that it is its own worst enemy. Like i think Mark Twain said , the best way to not believe is to read the bible. Unfortuantely thats very true. The more you read the more you see the mistakes that no creator of the universe could make. If God can create the universe surely he can write a book without confusion and not requiring exogenesis.
I am not defending the bible. (though I do not think your commentary on it is fair or accurate)
I am defending Christ, and pointing to Him as the One you should look to, if you want to know/see God.
Peace to you,
tammy
I believe that I am off to bed, mP. Talk more with you another time.
Peace,
tammy
