Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page".. (page 10)

slimboyfat

Deleting the group and apologising to those affected would go some way to making the situation better. It wouldn't repair the damage but it would be a start.

On the contrary, Outlaw. Along with several others, I'm putting forward facts and backing them up, and proposing solutions that will limit the damage and put an end to the compromise of privacy. People keep proposing the same solution over and over, the only possible solution to "make it right", and AAWA has so far tap-danced around it and keeps repeating "We already apologized; that's all we can do". Which is simply not the case.

And the "shameless spin doctoring" I'm referring to was done by Cedars, who perpetuated the story that you initially posted in the hopes that it would all just go away, until Juan Viejo was good enough to clarify - I suspect he did so regardless of how many brownie points it won him behind-the-scenes on the AAWA board.

I haven't made any false accusations. I've said exactly what I saw, and when, and where.

You're right; you're not part of AAWA. Didn't stop you from barging in and trumpeting in bold, 20-point font that there was a bogus page that committed identity theft and was responsible for the outings, and AAWA/its members were in no way responsible. Turns out that is not accurate, not at all. But it still stands. It's the first thing people see on this thread. And as you can see (by, say, HeadIsSpinning's comment on the previous page), it's a misconception still stuck in many people's heads, people who don't want to bother wading through 5 pages of posts to get to the truth. So tell me then, in contrast, what have YOU done to make this situation better, exactly?

zed is dead

Just shut the Facebook site down! That is, if your ego will let you.

zed

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

My suggestion is to start a new thread that directly appeals to the AAWA directors and have people voice their support (or non-support) for bringing the FB group down immediately.

OUTLAW

You're right; you're not part of AAWA. Didn't stop you from barging in and trumpeting in bold, 20-point font that there was a bogus page that committed identity theft and was responsible for the outings, and AAWA/its members were in no way responsible. Turns out that is not accurate, not at all. But it still stands. It's the first thing people see on this thread.

Barging In?..

You have 24 posts to your name,I`ve been here over a decade and..

Your on my thread,I`m not on your thread..

If anyone has barged in it`s you..

Yes the OP is usually the first thing people see when they enter a thread..

Without the OP there is no thread..LOL!!..

Your throwing shit at a wall and hoping something sticks..

So tell me then, in contrast, what have YOU done to make this situation better, exactly?

I opened a thread with the best information I had,so this could be discussed and hopefully resolved..

Because of This Thread,more information has come out..

There was no informative dialogue before this thread..

People rightfully wanted to know..

"WTF Happened??!!"..

One of the biggest complaints was..

AWAA wasn`t telling who the non AWAA person was,who outed a large group of people..

I asked AWAA to Resolve that..

Now you can go to AWAA and find out the name and "Do as you Will" with the information..

Without causing a bigger Shit Storm than there already is..

I`ve managed to resolve a few problems..

We now have an open informative discussion about what happened..

And..

Now anyone can find out which non AWAA member outed all those people..

.......................... ... OUTLAW

Dagney

Update: Because I "unfriended" and "unliked" the AAWA site, Juan says they cannot tell who added me. Fair enough. He said because I am in other exJW sites, I may have been added by someone from one of those sites. I have asked for the names of the people who were adding from these other sites so I could contact them personally. I don't have a good feeling. I hope my feeling is wrong.

I am so disappointed in all this. But it is what it is...

fizzywiglet

As I already said, Outlaw, I used to be here before under another name. For several years. And before I signed up, I lurked for a couple more years. Since I was 18. For over 10 years, myself. I don't post here really anymore, but this upset me enough to post about, because it's WRONG and people I know were affected - I'm a loyal friend and I'm both pissed off on their behalf as well as being upset that any group would be so rude and presumptuous as to assume I was willing to be a member, presume I agreed with their tenets, and force-add me. And, say, Dagney has been around on these boards since waaaay back when when it was JWD (also under a previous name, I think), so gee, maybe she should pull rank on you if you wanna play that game (except she's far classier than that, so she would never stoop to derailing). And so what? It's completely irrelevant how long I have been here...nice though, trying to deflect and undermine credibility when you get called out.

And yep, I'm on your thread, correcting your OP, which is simply not true.

As you say, you're not part of AAWA, but that didn't stop you from speaking on their behalf in bold, 20-point font. Whether you meant to or not, you've perpetuated a untrue story and you haven't apologized for or retracted it. That's the long and short of it, no amount of deflecting will change that.

As for "ooh, without this thread, the true story would never have come out"...FALSE (and hey, way to spin it into a little self-glorification). It's just been a rehash of the discussion that has been going on for days on the "AAWA is here" thread. Several of us (as Black Sheep pointed out) brought this stuff to light and proposed solutions days ago. They just kept getting buried under false narratives about "bogus identity theft" groups.

You're still perpetuating a false narrative even in the above post, when you say "Now can anyone find out which non-AAWA member outed all those people?".

Again:

It was an AAWA member. I know her name. Dagney knows her name. Several other people here also already know her name. The AAWA corporate officers know her name full well. She admitted that AAWA force-added around 1,000 people. She did this before 4/7/13, when there was allegedly some additional AAWA group member (who was not in a volunteer/coordinator/representative position, but an AAWA group member nonetheless) who entered the scene. AAWA advocated the force-add approach. They justified the force-add approach. AAWA did not take into account the proper settings to prevent the force-add approach. Their representative touted the force-add approach as the only logical way to get members because it was just toooooo muuuuuuch wooooooork going through proper channels. Their board members stayed silent when she said this. They ignored the problem for days, hoping it would get buried. The majority of the damage was done by an AAWA coordinator. Everything took place on AAWA's official page, even if there was a non-representative who got overenthusiastic on 4/7. AAWA is 100% responsible for this.

zed is dead

Dagney,

That is total BULLSHIT! Now they will not tell you because you are NOT a member of their group? WTF!!! Who the f**k would want to join that organization or site now? They have screwed up so bad in just a few days, that they have blown numerous faders cover. And what have they done to benefit anyone? They remind me of the person that comes out of the storm cellar after a tornado, and says "No problem, glad the wind has stopped blowing!"

Cedars' responses have left me nonplussed. I expected that someone who is a fader would be quick to shut down the Facebook account after all this hubbub. I guess publicity is more important to him.

zed

HintOfLime

Ok.. I didn't want to get involved, but something about this stinks.

Outlaw:

Your throwing shit at a wall and hoping something sticks..

... but isn't that EXACTLY what you hoped to acheive with the original post in this thread? You threw out inaccurate, untrue information without properly knowing the full story - hoping it would 'stick'? Your story supposively defending the AAWA had to be corrected on nearly every point.

And then when people who have had their REAL LIVES affected by this screw-up ask for responsible action - you call their posts 'shit'.

If you aren't affiliated with the AAWA, why are you so willing to spread mis-information and spit on the people they have hurt? I don't get the logic there.

(Unrelated, the name "Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists" is antagonistic, and just screams "hate group" to me, honestly.)

- Lime

jgnat

zed, you will note that the webmaster said they cannot look at the history. That's different than will not.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/jwactivists/

This is a group, managed by AAWA I believe. “Currently closed. This content is currently unavailable” (April 11 2013, 1:51 PM PST)

I don't know the history before this, because I was never a member. Until today, I didn't even know what it was called.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Anti-Watchtower-Activists/315832588543623?fref=ts

This is a page managed by AAWA. It has collected 261 likes.

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