Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

by OUTLAW 447 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Dismissing servant
    Dismissing servant

    "Update: Because I "unfriended" and "unliked" the AAWA site, Juan says they cannot tell who added me. Fair enough. He said because I am in other exJW sites, I may have been added by someone from one of those sites. I have asked for the names of the people who were adding from these other sites so I could contact them personally. I don't have a good feeling. I hope my feeling is wrong.

    I am so disappointed in all this. But it is what it is... "

    What the fuck is this? Cedars and Juan Viejo!??? Do you want to expose that bastard who outed a lot of XJVs or not? If you don't delete that damned group right here and now you are nothing but egocentric hypocrits. And give us the whole truth...who is that damned idiot that outed a lot of people in the group? Now is the time to give a stright answer.

    If you don't act promptly now..that's a sign that you don't care about faders. In that case....we urge you to out Cedars real name. I assume that Cedars in not more important than other faders. or...is he?

  • cedars
    cedars

    I'm aware that many of you are in full AAWA-bashing mode at the moment, but if any of you have a mind to be helpful I have a quick question.

    I am trying to get to the bottom of the concerns being currently voiced about our facebook group, without being fully versed or experienced in facebook myself.

    It has been brought to my attention that membership of our facebook group does not show up on the newsfeed of our members. Therefore, if anyone is a member of our group, even against their will, there is no way for a non-member (i.e. a Witness friend) to see that they are.

    Of course, facebook pages are different - these show up on your facebook newsfeed, but nobody was force-added to AAWA's facebook page. In fact, you can't be "added" to it at all, you can only "like" it - and it is impossible to force someone to "like" something without their knowledge.

    So my question is, if there are any calm heads prevailing on this thread who actually know how facebook works - can you prove that you can be a member of our group, mistakenly or otherwise, and for this to be visible to non-member friends?

    For those who want to investigate in response to my question, our facebook group is called... "Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists (AAWA)"

    I await your response.

    Cedars

  • Dismissing servant
    Dismissing servant

    ""Of course, facebook pages are different - these show up on your facebook newsfeed, but nobody was force-added to AAWA's facebook page."

    For Fxxx sake, Cedars! be honest with us. Just recentley there were some 900-1000 persons added to that damned site...by someone who is not a AAWA-activist! You have a damned lot of explanation to do.

    But, most important; why the hell haven't you deleted that group????????

    [Edited for language, posting guideline 3 - jgnat]

  • mind blown
    mind blown

    Outlaw was ernest in trying to find out what happend. Outlaw always posts in bold type.

    Where Outlaw got his mis information from? I don't know? Is it important? I don't know? But what I'm sure of is Cedars did not kindly correct Outlaws the post. In fact he let's us believe this is how it came down, and he threw Outlaw under the bus.

    Cedars view before Juan corrected things is:

    "But hey, we've said our piece and explained things - but some will want to believe the worst of us anyway. If anyone wants to "investigate" this further, by all means PM me and I will put you in touch with Bo Jensen, who is in charge of our Social Media.

    "Anyway, that's all I really have to say about the matter. I shouldn't really be posting on behalf of AAWA, but I think it's important to clear things up, and I thank OUTLAW for getting to the bottom of it when few seemed inclined to."

    WTF does that mean? When few seemed inclinded to? YOUR THE FREGGIN PRESEDENT! AS WELL AS STILL NOT EVEN AN APOLOGY INDEPENDENTLY OR DIRECTLY FOR THE MESS.

  • cedars
    cedars

    Dismissing Servant

    For Fxxx sake, Cedars! be honest with us. Just recentley there were some 900-1000 persons added to that damned site...by someone who is not a AAWA-activist! You have a damned lot of explanation to do.

    But, most important; why the hell haven't you deleted that group????????

    Language please (see posting guideline 3)

    Also, you haven't answered the question above. It would make a lot more sense deleting the group if it could be established that membership of the group shows up on the newsfeeds when non-members view your profile.

    Cedars

  • HintOfLime
    HintOfLime

    Ceders, you are basically asking "you who are involved in this train-wreck, can you let me know if the train is still crashing right now?"

    Is there nobody in this AAWA group that is knowledgable and competent in Facebook?

    Is there a good reason you aren't using a simulated/dev group among founding AAWA members to get this stuff right without putting member privacy at risk?

    - Lime

  • cedars
    cedars

    mind blown

    YOUR THE FREGGIN PRESEDENT! STILL NOT EVEN APOLOGIZING DIRECTLY FOR THE MESS.

    I apologized along with the whole of AAWA when AAWA issued an apology.

    Can any cool heads out there be helpful and answer my question?

    Cedars

  • cedars
    cedars

    HintOfLime

    Ceders, you are basically asking "you who are involved in this train-wreck, can you let me know if the train is still crashing right now?"

    Yes, establishing that the train has crashed is important before lynching the driver.

    Cedars

  • fizzywiglet
    fizzywiglet

    I'm aware that many of you are in full AAWA-bashing mode at the moment, but if any of you have a mind to be helpful I have a quick question.

    I am trying to get to the bottom of the concerns being currently voiced about our facebook group, without being fully versed or experienced in facebook myself.

    It has been brought to my attention that membership of our facebook group does not show up on the newsfeed of our members. Therefore, if anyone is a member of our group, even against their will, there is no way for a non-member (i.e. a Witness friend) to see that they are.

    Of course, facebook pages are different - these show up on your facebook newsfeed, but nobody was force-added to AAWA's facebook page. In fact, you can't be "added" to it at all, you can only "like" it - and it is impossible to force someone to "like" something without their knowledge.

    So my question is, if there are any calm heads prevailing on this thread who actually know how facebook works - can you prove that you can be a member of our group, mistakenly or otherwise, and for this to be visible to non-member friends?

    For those who want to investigate in response to my question, our facebook group is called... "Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists (AAWA)"

    I await your response.

    Cedars

    Ignoring the arrogant little jabs about people being "hot-headed" and "in bashing mode", it has been "brought to your attention" (multiple times) that the bolded statement above is incorrect.

    As Jgnat posted just before you, there is a Facebook "page" which only has 257 "likes" which people cannot be auto-added to.

    There is also the "secret group" (which Juan Viejo said they decided to make open, thereby increasing the likelihood of outing, and now you appear to have made secret again) here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/jwactivists/

    This is the group I was force-added to. This is the group where your coordinator admitted that AAWA had force-added 1,000 people.

    This is the group that outed Rebel8 and others. The title of this group showed up on MY timeline when I was force-added (I had non-ex-JW friends check and confirm it for me before leaving the group).

    When I click on the link above, it tells me "Secret Group: You are unable to see the contents of this group because you are not a member." But I can still see the title of the group and this blurb about it:

    " The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists (AAWA) is an organization dedicated to raising awareness of the damaging in fluence of the Watch Tower Society through respectful and well-informed activism. AAWA is also committed to offering help and support to those who are mentally and emotionally afflicted by the Society’s teachings and practices in whatever ways it can.

    AAWA's Mission Statement:

    http://jwactivists.org/who-are-we/"

    That is more than enough to damage a fader. Not to mention, nobody should be force-added to a page without their consent, whether they're an open apostate or not. It still doesn't mean that they agree with your group's mission or want to be a part of it. It doesn't mean that they should be counted as one of your members when a huge chunk of them still have no idea they were even added.

    Anyway, you're still deflecting. You're ignoring the overwhelming point that AAWA force-added people without their consent, and that not only must stop immediately and in the future, but must be retroactively undone as far as possible. You continue to refuse to respond to the solution most people seem to agree on: shut down the page and start over. The right way. Inviting people instead of force-adding them and assuming they want to stay unless they leave.

    As far as "language", do you have a problem with Outlaw saying s***? Or are you only nitpicking on people who hold you responsible for AAWA's actions?

  • cedars
    cedars

    fizzywiglet

    My question is though, if you are a non-member (say, an elder), and you have a friend who is in this group, would you know that they are a member?

    Cedars

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