by unstopableravens 166 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Sorry, I already made that joke. You don't get my sloppy seconds. If you are going to try to insult me and get your ass handed to you in the process, at least try to be original in your comeback and not just copy what I did. Lame, dude. Lame.
OK, off to bed. You now have at least 4 hours to think of something witty. I encourage you to take all of it and I wish you luck.
We answered your question, EP. No high horse, just very tired of your modus operandi on threads like this. Not tired of you, just the modus operandi.
https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/careers/communityand-social-services-rabbis
Compensation
The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates the average earnings of clergy was $48,490 in 2011.
Rabbis are often paid by the communities they serve, and rich communities can pay a lot more than poor ones. In addition to their annual salary, rabbis may receive benefits such as housing, health insurance, and a retirement plan. Rabbis often add to their income with fees received for leading weddings and other ceremonies.
It was lame before i got it.
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We answered your question, EP. No high horse, just very tired of your modus operandi on threads like this. Not tired of you, just the modus operandi.
Blah blah blah about what your friend does on a daily basis is not an answer. I didn't ask about ancient Israel or for information on what they do that isn't preaching. If your friend is getting paid to do stuff that isn't preaching, then he should just get a job doing that stuff, call it "getting paid for being really nice" and preach for free, like Jesus said. In either case, though, you are telling me all the stuff he does that has nothing to do with my question.
Why does he think he should get paid to do what Jesus and the apostles said to give freely?
And really, your tired insults, while amusing, really could use some touching up. As I said, if you can't actually answer the question, you can simply bow out. No shame in that. But seriously, telling me what your friend does on a daily basis is no answer.
It was lame before i got it.
Ah, you definitely should have taken all four hours. You just insulted yourself, basically saying you took something you thought was lame, had nothing better and re-used it since, well, you had nothing better.
Seriously, off to bed.
FHN, I am asking a WHY question about the disparity between what they were told to do and why they think doing the opposite is OK. You keep telling me WHAT they do, which is NOT an answer. I'll keep asking, though. I have hope that you will get it.
Satanus, take your time. Use the internet. Phone a friend. You'll come up with something (maybe).
If your friend is getting paid to do stuff that isn't preaching, then he should just get a job doing that stuff
He has a job, EP. Jesus and his apostles didn't comment on jobs, they commented on sharing the word. You know that. You're just behaving like a troll. Throwing out condescending barbs and sarcasm and insincere questions to see what kind of trouble you can stir up. We know it. You know it. We've answered your questions. You can keep arguing if you like, because honestly, that's really all you came for was the arguing.
Youre like the little kid who was going to go to bed, but hung out just around the corner, cuz he wanted to see what the adults were doing. Go to bed. Really. You need more than 4 hrs, too. Do you need someone to read a book for you and tuck you in? No, i won't do it. Anyway, youre on ignore, now.
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Yes, it is okay for pastors to be paid and receive money for preaching and teaching the gospel. But it isn't getting paid to preach that is the issue. Rather, it is being supported by the work that the pastor performs (of which preaching is only one part), work that is often 50+ hours a week. But some will say that pastors should not receive any compensation at all, and that they should follow the admonition of Jesus who said "freely you received, freely give," ( Matt. 10:8 ). Furthermore, people also say that pastors who are truly spiritual should decline being paid. These two arguments might sound good, but are they valid? Let's take a look. First, let's examine the context of Jesus' words in Matt. 10:8 :
"These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them, saying, “Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; 6 but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 “And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons; freely you received, freely give. 9 “Do not acquire gold, or silver, or copper for your money belts, 10 or a bag for your journey, or even two tunics, or sandals, or a staff; for the worker is worthy of his support. 11 “And into whatever city or village you enter, inquire who is worthy in it; and abide there until you go away," ( Matt. 10:5-11 ).
The context of Jesus saying "freely you received, freely give," is dealing with healing the sick, raising the dead, cleansing the lepers, and casting out demons. What is interesting is that in the next two verses Jesus said take along no money (gold or silver), then he says in verse 10, "for the worker is worthy of the support." The implication is that those who are preaching the gospel and performing the ministry that Christ has given them should be supported by those people to whom they minister. Also, by looking at similar verses we find the same message. Please consider Luke 9:1-5 :
"And He called the twelve together, and gave them power and authority over all the demons, and to heal diseases. 2 And He sent them out to proclaim the kingdom of God, and to perform healing. 3 And He said to them, “Take nothing for your journey, neither a staff, nor a bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not even have two tunics apiece. 4 “And whatever house you enter, stay there, and take your leave from there. 5 “And as for those who do not receive you, as you go out from that city, shake off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them,” ( Luke 9:1-5 ).
Jesus told the disciples to accept the support offered them in their ministry; that is, they were to enter a house and stay there. If they were not being formally paid, then they must be housed and fed. Should we conclude that ministers of the word should stay with the people they preach to and be supported by them? Not at all. Jesus was telling the disciples to trust God as they ministered. In fact, we find that when Jesus was carrying out his earthly ministry, he and his disciples had a money box ( John 12:6 ; 13:29 ) that, unfortunately, Judas would steal from.
So, Jesus had said "Do not acquire gold, or silver, or copper for your money belt" ( Matt. 10:9 ). But, an interesting change of teaching by Jesus can be found in Luke when later on in his ministry he told the disciples to take a purse, a bag, and a sword.
"And He said to them, “When I sent you out without purse and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?” And they said, “No, nothing.” 36 And He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it along, likewise also a bag, and let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one. 37 “For I tell you, that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, ‘And He was numbered with transgressors’; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment.” 38 And they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough,” ( Luke 22:35-38 ).
Why the change? It was because soon the disciples would be without Jesus and they would have to rely on God's provision through people, not through Christ, during their upcoming gospel work.
What does Paul say?
Paul has several things to say about following Christ and money. Let's take a look.
Notice that Paul tells us several things. In 2 Thess. 3:9-10 he says that those who don't work shouldn't eat, and that we should follow his example of working. In 1 Tim. 5:17-18 Paul mentions how the elders are to be worthy of double honor. But the context seems to suggest a monetary payment since it says the laborer is worthy of his wages. In 1 Cor. 9:3-18 we are asked who serves as a soldier at his own expense, or does not use the milk of the flock he tends (v. 7)? Finally, in 1 Cor. 9:14 Paul clearly says that "the Lord directed those who proclaim the gospel to get their living from the gospel." Can there be any clearer statement supporting the idea that a pastor can indeed be paid for his ministerial work?
This is a thread on religion which EP thinks is BS anyway. In fact, God, Jesus, the Bible is all BS to him. He just delights in trolling. If you show him the verses, it wouldn't matter to him. Why entertain him? Leave the insecure guy alone. He's not comfortable with his beliefs that's why he constantly needs validation by proving others wrong. Sad but true: Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
You choose to hurt people, the same will be done to you.
You choose to hurt people, the same will be done to you.
I was wrong in saying this, the hurting must stop somewhere, sorry.
