"lost", yes I did read from the beginning, but found no proof from what you said that the ancient Israelites pronounced Waw (Vav) like a V. Their is also no 'v' in ancient Greek either - the closest from a modern pronunciation would be ph but but I understand the the Greek letter phi would have been pronounced as a p (but with a hard breath immediately afterwards). What I had hoped for would be a pointer to where in your written text you supplied proof of your assertion, but I didn't get any. Again, don't get me wrong, I'm just trying to see if I've missed something. I think oppostate gave a very good example of how the pronunciation of language has changed over time.
YHWH v YHVH - yes, V not W
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cofty
they are worshipping the personification of the very thing they are actually preaching against
This is the bit I can't find your source for. Please explain.
You make a passing mention of Strongs but no actual reference.
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Witness My Fury
*Lost* we understand your excitement we honestly do, you've opened your eyes and seen how little you knew and are now starting to learn. But as always, the more you learn the more there is to learn. Things are not always simple, nor are they cut and dried and black and white.
As others have said, pronunciation is not always clear cut and especially so with this subject, and as already pointed out the origins of the monotheist beliefs of the early jews and where and when that really took place is more of a shock than how the name is pronounced, but most JWs or even exJWs never bother to get that far in their research.
Recommended books:
A history of God - Karen Armstrong
The Bible, The biography - Karen Armstrong
The Bible Unearthed - Israel Finklestein
If you want a more in depth look into it then try books like:
The early History of God - Yahweh and the other deities in ancient Israel, by Mark S. Smith
Keep looking, keep searching, the truth is out there.
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*lost*
so cofty if je-hovah - YHWH
je = god
hovah = of mischeif, wickedness, perversions, evil
Attribute of the Devil = Satan
and this alterantive title, je-hova, being another pseudonym for Satan, and JW's god, whom they worship and slave for, is actually je-hovah, Satan, then they are not worshiping serving whom they think that they are, which is God the True Father, of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
If you want to actually know more about it, then you will have to do your research and fact finding.
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cofty
hovah = of mischeif, wickedness, perversions, evil
So still no actual reference to back up your assertions.
I am asking for a link to an actual paper or book page & paragraph reference please.
(Links to whacky webpages don't count as research)
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Witness My Fury
*lost* you dont appear capable of listening. Just sayin....
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mP
lost;
the bible only says satan is wrong for challenging Jehovah. All language is coloured based on that fact.
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*lost*
cofty - what is the definiton of hova
i suggest you ask Brother of the Hawk, i think he would be able to explain it to you better than I can.
WMF - listen to what ?
mp - where does it say that, can you tell me so that I can look it up as well. thanks
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*lost*
interesting point for those out there who think on the illuminat connections in the music industry.
rapper Jay -Z calls himself HOVA
since he ocnsiders himself the ''God'' of rap.
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Jeffro
*lost*
and this alterantive title, je-hova, being another pseudonym for Satan, and JW's god, whom they worship and slave for, is actually je-hovah, Satan, then they are not worshiping serving whom they think that they are, which is God the True Father, of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
You just don't seem to get it. There aren't two different characters here. (That is there is no 'YHWH vs. YHVH'; I am not positing anything here about Elohim.) Regardless of what consonants you want to use, you're still discussing the one deity of the Canaanite tribe that later became known as 'Israel' - a character that was ultmately 'borrowed' from earlier stories anyway. It has nothing at all to do with 'Satan'. In fact, the 'Satan' character wasn't even conceived of as a specific entity at the time they made up the god of the Abrahamic religions.