YHWH v YHVH - yes, V not W
by *lost* 150 Replies latest watchtower bible
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mrsjones5
Thank you Jeffro.
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clarity
(((Lost))) ...just so you know there are folks out here,
who do appreciate effort & hard work, good motive, participation
& erudition.
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Mostly knowledge does not strike like a bolt of lightning.
But it is more like building a house ... adding a foundation,
one level at a time. Thanks for your addition.
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I have appreciated the information that you worked to produce,
it is commendable.
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I smile, imagining all those duped elders praying at mtgs
& trying to fit that name in as much as possible ...in 30 seconds!
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Never give-up in your digging Lost, ignore the sarcasm.
Have a brilliant Sunday!
clarity
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AMO
Great thread lost, i eagerly wait the conclusion. Don't give up on your quest. I cant begin to imagine how tough it must be for alI people finding the TTATT, pushing all the new info through your head and trying to make sense the other end, thank god or YHWH YHVh or what ever I'm an atheist. Seems to me people could save them selves alot of dead brain cells to look at the foundations of there belief first, eg does god exist in the first place. If the answer is no then there is no need to put yourself through all this hardship and just get on with the rest of your life, what ever you have left. If the answer is yes then you have to ask your self is the bible a true history of god and Christianity, if the answer to that question is no then just get on with your life and follow god and Christ in your own way. If the answer to that last question is yes you do then I'm afraid there is alot of info here and across the net that will stumble you badly, am sorry but that's the way i see it.
lost, never give up, never surrender.
AMO
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Band on the Run
This is very interesting. Can you provide some brief citations so I can know the relative import of scholarship? I first learned this 4 decades ago so I no longer have ready references.
Yahweah or Yavweh or whatever do not make any sense with I AM WHAT I AM. It is possible that the Jews worshipped different gods that melded together at one point. The call to Israel, "SChmai Israel, Adonai, Elohim, Adoni Echad" paraphrase. The central Jewsih prayer refers to Eloehim, not YHWH.
I suspect dinky research at Bethel.
God cannot have a name.
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*lost*
Amo - thank you, it doesnt seem to matter how many times you state the same thing, to people who don't want to hear what you are 'saying'
it has nothing to do with believeing, but with discovering information and discussing the merits of said. I wish someone had told me a long time ago about this, it would made things so much easier. Plus I find archeology and the ancient world very interesting. Learning where things originate and why.
Band - thanks. I don't know what you mean by ciations, I can only give what I have done and where it came form. I like that it helps to build up a picture mentally of what society was l ike back then, and why myths and stories originated and why. There are a lot of cultures that have similar stories etc.
The catholic monk thing is interesting to, i had never known that. There is so many things not known.
clarity - thank you. Yeah, true what you say there, it's jova, jova, jova, bang bang bang all the time, like people repetive brainwashing, they do it with advertising, to make it stick in your sub-conscious. They are saying about wt now how they are getting rid of Jesus !!!
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Band on the Run
I am sorry. Lawyer call references citations. Jargon. Our citations are references.
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ablebodiedman
Cool video about God's name by a Jewish Scholar.
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Jeffro
*lost*, I agree with others who have said to keep digging. But just remember that all that glitters is not gold.
It's not particularly surprising that the English word Jehovah has a fairly recent origin (setting aside the fact that Yahweh is a more accurate translation), especially since all English words have a relatively recent origin. Words mean what they mean. When a community of people (e.g. people who speak English) all understand a word to mean a certain thing, that is what the word means. Words don't carry 'mystical' 'secret' intrinsic meanings in addition to how the word is understood (though certain communities may assign additional meaning, as is the case with jargon). Saying a thing is something else doesn't actually change what the thing is; to insist otherwise is a false syllogism. (The fact that 'Jehovah' isn't real also has no impact on the meaning of the words.)
The suggestion that JWs are 'really' worshipping 'Satan' on the basis of the loosely related Hebrew words is particularly flawed because a) the words (Strongs 1943 and Strongs 3068) are only indirectly related (it's like insisting that two cousins must really be the same person because they have the same grandparents); b) in early Hebrew culture, and in fact throughout the Old Testament, 'a satan' did not originally refer to a specific 'individual', and Satan (capital S) is a much later invention; and c) there is no direct connection between the implied negative connotation of the indirectly related Hebrew words and the 'Satan' character.
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*lost*
jeffro - you know . if you had just said this to me in this manner in the first place, it would of been so much easier.
yes I will keep digging, and patching together the pieces, if I can help anyone along the way to start getting interested and thinking about things, it might help them. there could be a lurker, like me watching, and think oooh, ehats that all about.
that is how I came to find things, lurking here. But one of the things that made it harder to come here, was the bitching, back biting and nastiness. By the rules of society, who wants that, arguing and fighting all the time ?? The Hubris
It reinforces the 'postate view the wt lord over the jw's with. Not all jws leave cos they are atheist.
jees, aint nobody got time for that, better things to be doing.
Theres too much to learn and discover and enjoy in life.
( I was never 'indoctrinated' as in brai-washed, but there are a lot of people who immediatley assume your a zealous religious freak if you mention anything about religon, bible and god. Like its a book, a story. everyone reads books and stories)