Ripping a person’s faith away, a heavy responsibility?

by Seraphim23 207 Replies latest jw friends

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  *lost*

  cantleve - why. who is to dictate to someone what they should believe. who has the right to tell someone they are stupid or ignorant ? by who's standards.

  are you saying society would only be a valid place if only a certain type of people lieved ? or controlled it ?

  sounds a bit 1984 to me.

  what gives you the right ot dictate to thers how they should live their lives and what they should believe in ?

  I suppose on a basic level you could just call it having good manners and grace in how you treat other people. that iswhat society teaches us from a young age starting at school. Its how society works so that differant groups can co-exhist.

  would you call out your boss who pays your wages so that you can survive stupid or his ideas stupid because he doesn't share your ethos or belief structure.

  would you walk into an obscure african village and call them stupid ?

  why are you so concerned about what anyone believes, if it doesn't affect you, maybe you should mind your own business and leave them alone to live their lives how they choose.

  the general consensus is that jw's and ex'jws are stupid. but that's not a fair anology and it is also ignorance personified.
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  Xanthippe

  That's a very bizzare reply. Are you saying that superstitious beliefs should not be ridiculed? - Cofty

  That's right, I am saying that superstitious beliefs should not be ridiculed but that they should be discussed calmly and logically. Don't you think that ridicule is the last refuge of the intellectually challenged?
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  cantleave

  why are you so concerned about what anyone believes, if it doesn't affect you, maybe you should mind your own business and leave them alone to live their lives how they choose.

  Because stupid and dangerous ideas result in ....

  Intolerance

  bigotry

  wars

  persecution

  Genocide

  Homocide

  Concentration camps

  Ethnic cleansing

  despotic totalitarian political regimes

  Bad ideas need to to be criticised, they need to ridiculed, they need to be stamped out!
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  Satanus

  'Bad ideas need to to be criticised, they need to ridiculed, they need to be stamped out!'

  The new evangel.

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  cantleave

  Don't you think that ridicule is the last refuge of the intellectually challenged?

  Not at all, the belief in the ridiculous resulting in the list above /\ /\ /\ has been intellectually challenged for centuries, it takes a multi faceted approach to stop the intloerable results of such ideas and that includes ridicule ..

  I suppose on a basic level you could just call it having good manners and grace in how you treat other people

  You are confusing ideas with people again.

  would you walk into an obscure african village and call them stupid ?

  Have you seen the results of tribal warfare?
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  cantleave

  would you call out your boss who pays your wages so that you can survive stupid or his ideas stupid because he doesn't share your ethos or belief structure.

  Yes I would and I do.

  the general consensus is that jw's and ex'jws are stupid. but that's not a fair anology and it is also ignorance personified.

  One aspect of stupidity is not learning from previous mistakes, if you escape from one cult and fall into the grasp of another - that is stupid!
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  Phizzy

  Ridicule is probably more feared by people with indefensible ideas than mere facts and truth.

  Why do you think Totalitarian regimes have always stamped on the Satirists. the Comics and the Cartoonists ?

  The more we ridicule these silly beliefs the more it is thrown in to bold relief just how daft they are.
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  cantleave

  The more we ridicule these silly beliefs the more it is thrown in to bold relief just how daft they are.

  Phizzy as always you are spot on - BTW keep the 20th of July free my friend!
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  bohm

  That's right, I am saying that superstitious beliefs should not be ridiculed but that they should be discussed calmly and logically. Don't you think that ridicule is the last refuge of the intellectually challenged?

  That discussion basically goes like this:

  Religion: Take me serious! take me serious! take me serious!

  Science: okay, so why do you have the truth?

  U CANT PROOVE I DONT & SCIENCE CANT PROOVE ITSELF WITH SCIENCE & HOW COULD NOTHING EXPLODE???!!!11!!!! I WIN!!!

  moron

  Take me serious! take me serious! take me serious!
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  *lost*

  hmmm I think you two morons need to learn what humility respect and good old fashioned manners are - hows that

  and stop putting your spin and ideas on how other people should live their lives and what they should believe,

  because your frightened you may have to deal with a dark side of life.

  your mixing up what it is your talking about. you can't seem to be able to differentiate between different levels of society and human kind.

  you think its ok to attack people and insult them because they dont hold to your ideals and what you think the set standards of society should be. according to your mentality/.

  let me see what comes to mind, CONTROL

  you cannot control people to stamp out things you disagree with. your not even giving examples.

  just broad generalisations. yuou cannot generalise humankind. they are to diverse.

  are you really that arrogant and ignorant. should we go back to the dark ages.

  there is a difference between laws of the land for good governance and an individuals rights and freedoms.

  people should never have to worry about being different or not fitting in with the 'norm' eg high schools jocks who think they are so much better than and higher than everyone else.

  snobbery and elitist at best

  ignorance and arrogance at worse.

  edit: tribal wars in african villages are stupid then by your definition are they ? well gee whizz I gues the good ole USof A must be the epitome of all things stooopidist then ... invading foreign countries and bombing the sht out of women and children under the guise and subterfuge of 'assisting and libnerating them'