Hmmm...who would I listen too?
Mr nice manners...
Hell no!
Mr sarcastic....LOL
RIP Hitch you beautiful human being...you were wiser than many of us could EVER hope to be.
*and often drunker...but meh! no one is perfect...lol*
Ripping a persons faith away, a heavy responsibility?
by Seraphim23 207 Replies latest jw friends
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Thanks for the apology *lost* but to be honest. I wasn't bothered. I was just trying to be polite and responding to your question.
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talesin
LisaRose, my point exactly!
I think it possible to point out the logical fallacy of ideas that you disagree with, without using ridicule, and I see no point in using it. The person who's ideas you ridicule will be even less inclined to consider your opinion, because you said it in an insulting way. So then, what is the point of using ridicule?
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mrs jones - your chooice to interact with me. not looking good !!!!!!!
lmfao. presumptious much, what makes you think I want to interact with YOU !!!
more like you jumped in on account of yone of your buddies - is suspect, allegeadly apparently, possibly...
Hm yeah. I don't have buddies or a posse. I have folks who I like and are friendly with on this board. I may agree with them on certain issues and disagree on others. You do not know me and it is you who presume much about me. I have no opinion of you on other than what you have presented here. And yes it doesn't look good.
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talesin
lol, mrsjones don't need no posse! She's her own person.
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The person who's ideas you ridicule will be even less inclined to consider your opinion, because you said it in an insulting way
I personally HAVE considered many of the ideas of people on this forum who have ridiculed my ideas. Turns out...many of them were right.
It takes a closed mind to blame the way someone presents something, for them not wanting to listen to what is presented and only pick out the bits that offend them.
Like I said. If you want to know about something you will find out....regardless...and sometimes...in spite of what others say. And if you don't, you won't listen no matter how wonderful their manners are or how polite.
Stop trying to blame other people for YOU not wanting to hear what they have to say, no one is stopping you but yourself. If you don't want to hear what they have to say thats fine, that is YOUR choice. But it is YOU that decides that. They are who they are. And will carry on having discussions with others who are interested regardless of what YOU personally decide.
If this is the SOLE reason why you wouldn't want to listen to someone...who knows what knowledge you may be passing up because of your self righteous judgements of others. They offend you because they ridicule your ideas and beliefs?....well.....get over it.
There is no one on this forum that is so awful that they warrant not being listened to...well...I haven't come accross anyone lately.
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If, as a brainwashed dub, you met an Athiest, would you have been inclined to listen to his arguments if he was condescending and used ridicule?
If they were a 'brainwashed dub' t hey wouldn't listen to the pope either...let alone an atheist...not even a 'nice' atheist...LOL
Now...it they were questioning their ideas and beliefs...then YES...they might. I was pretty brainwashed...and I DID listen because I was questioning.
What I saw in many of these discussions and debates was believers being just as condescending and lots of passive aggression, so I started to ignore a lot of that and focus on WHAT was being said. But sometimes that ridicule actually made me see something I believed, for what it REALLY was, it really highlighted how ridiculous that particular belief was. A joke. And the joke really was on me for believing that nonsense in the first place.
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When someone posts an opinion I try and interpret what and why they are saying it. Communication is a a two person job. I bring my knowledge and skills to the table as does the person sending the message. When someone sends a message to me and asks me to seriously consider the possibility of something both implausible and physically impossible , with no evidence beyond their own subjective emotions and thoughts , and absolutely refuses to consider any interpretation other than that they are right , I consider them to be acting in a ridiculous fashion. It would be rude of me and a dereliction of my own integrity to treat their personal fantasy world as true and agree to pretend that I saw merit and reality in their imagination. Instead , especially when they opine on a subject where I have some evidence based information I try to disabuse them of their evidence lite foundation and offer something better. If they stonewall then I consider that the conversation may be ripe for ridicule for the dual purpose of hoping to expose a fundamental weakness in their argument that their rational mind has failed to process and also as a general signalling method to anyone else listening that this conversation is not based on facts and to discuss it as such is farcical.
In this information age where a wealth of facts and researched information is available ,with just a little effort, our personal ignorance on a subject is a matter of choice. It wasn't until I owned this responsibility and took it back from my god, my church and my believing peers that I could fully realise that faith based belief was making me make religious, half-baked, rather silly , public assertions which I defended not because I was interested in the actual truth ( that requires an attitude of being swayed by facts) but simply because I was interested ( when I really thought about it) in converting myself and those around me into worshippers of my god. It took , amongst other things, being shown how ridiculous my then beliefs were and being soundly thrashed in some heated debates to wake me up to the fact that no god was going to step in and give me any real info to help me out regarding global floods or some such myth and that my late night, post humiliation prayers were not beaming out of my head into some magic world.
Pretending to know something and demanding that it be respected or privileged by your peers is at once manipulative and arrogant. Its intellectual bullying and churches and faiths have been doing it for years.IMO.
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You can join my posse Mrs J....I am a posse of one at the moment...lol
*so what do we do now?*
And I do have to note that we may differ on opinon sometimes but if you are ok with that we're good to go.
*do we have to ride horses? I don't like riding horses. If we do...sorry...but the posse is off*
Tal...you can join my posse too...*but obviously not if there is horse riding involved*
I'm not inviting you Q...simply for the fact that you say things so much better than me damnitt!
*lost*, you can join too...because I like you