Boston bomb investigators kill Florida man

by Simon 162 Replies latest members politics

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  soontobe

  Well, it looks like the "official" story is now changing....

  http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/22403812/fbi-shooting-orlando-moments-before-fatal-shooting-of-ibragim-todashev-still-unclear

  Initially, FBI officials said Todashev, 27, became violent and lunged at an agent with a knife while he was being questioned about Tsarnaev and an unsolved 2011 triple murder in the Boston suburb of Waltham. The agent, acting on an "imminent threat," then shot Todashev, they said.

  However, later in the day, some of those officials had backed off that preliminary account, and it's no longer clear what happened in the moments before the fatal shooting, The Associated Press reported.

  Yup.
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  sammielee24

  Thanks STB.

  That is my issue - there are just getting to be way too many situations where we hear something official and then after a bit of investigating the story changes - that change alters the facts we thought we were told. As of yet, we are still waiting on some sort of concrete evidence of all the allegations against him and now that he is dead - well, I guess anyone can say anything they want and people will be forced to believe it. sammieswife
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  Simon

  However, later in the day, some of those officials had backed off that preliminary account, and it's no longer clear what happened in the moments before the fatal shooting, The Associated Press reported.

  I guess that means that the people who believed the earlier accounts will now immediately switch to believing this account as the absolute truth. Wow, to be so naive ...

  The guy apparently told a friend he thought he was being framed for something was was worried they were going to kill him. Hmmnn ...
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  Simon

  Human nature tells us that most, not all, will confess because it unloads them

  The trouble with human nature is it is often wrong and easily manipulated.

  Read the PDF - shocking stories of parents confessing to the abuse and murders of their own children which hard evidence showed they did not do.

  They know confessions are coerced or bogus because people will even confess to fake crimes fabricated to test the process. The process often fails.

  Confession usually means "no evidence" because otherwise you don't need the confession.
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  Simon

  I love how GOP types talk about how they must have protection from the government in the form of guns but then foreit all the other rights they have in the name of public security

  Yes, I noticed that. "We need guns to fight the government" ... "hey, you with the guns, the government is shooting people " ... "meh"

  Lame hypocrisy at it's finest. Armchair heros with their guns but roll over like sheep if the goverment tells them to.
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  sammielee24

  Confession usually means "no evidence" because otherwise you don't need the confession.

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  Very good point.

  I also don't believe that people confess because they want to unload - they confess to something often out of fear - sometimes motivated by shame or guilt but most often fear. Fear will make many people do things they wouldn't otherwise do and I think that includes confession.

  Torture creates fear - which often leads to confession.

  People think confession means something another person can hear - how many priests guilty of molestation confessed to a cross in the belief they were absolved of guilt for the crimes they committed? Fear of going to hell resulted in confession to their god - it took evidence over many years to bypass the confessions and convict them of crimes. So yes, confession is not always what we seem to think it is - sammieswife
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  Simon

  Apparently, many confess because they believe that real evidence will clear them. The reality is, the legal system isn't necessarilly so concerned with getting the right person as they are getting 'a' person and so once they have a confession there is less incentive to find real evidence. Over-enthusiasm and naive beliefs then mean a miscarriage of justice even if that wasn't the intent of the people who did it.
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  minimus

  "Confession usually means no evidence".....says who? Plenty of people confess to wrongdoing and "evidence" may not be obvious at that moment.
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  Simon

  Thanks minimus - so you agree then.

  Any word on the percentage you're happy with?
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  minimus

  You are negating confessions because you ASSUME confessions =no evidence.

  OK, I'll just proclaim the opposite: When most people confess, it's because they are telling the truth about their crime.

  Now, we're even. We both made proclamations and the only difference is I'm right again.