Boston bomb investigators kill Florida man

by Simon 162 Replies latest members politics

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  Simon

  locked up for years, in the wrong. They were innocent.

  Exactly. And it did the UK no good at all and cost many lives as well as substantion cost. The only way to fix things was to let guilty people go free as part of the process as at some point you cannot keep apportioning blame / cause / justification.

  I get caught stealing merchandise from Walmart, ok? I'm approached by security and asked if I took something. Of course, I deny it. Then I am asked, do you want to see the video? I know they got me, so I say no and confess. Pretty simple.

  How about something is stolen from Walmart ... I'm approached by a security guard who feels he needs to impress his boss and doesn't like the color of my skin or the slogan on the T-Shirt I'm wearing. They lock me in a room and say that they know it was me that took the goods and things will only get worse. It goes on and on for hours and I am scared and alone and need to get somewhere so eventually I say I did it just to get out of there. Pretty simple.

  With your example minimus, they have the video as real evidence so they wouldn't bother 'asking' if you took it would they or needing to get any confession?

  So your example is pretty weak IMO.
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  minimus

  That example IS what happens. Of course they'd bother to ask, knowing full well what the reality is.

  It's a natural thing to do. Any parent would know that.
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  Simon

  Minimus - your example is complete nuts but if it's the best you can come up with I guess it's all you have.

  But to get back on topic ... it now emerges that the FBI agent responsible was FROM Boston. Hmmn, maybe he lost control? Hope it doesn't turn out to be something personal ...

  Also, this guy they are making out was so dangerous and responsible for murders ... why were they doing this in his apartment? What was the plan ... to let him go after he signed a confession? Why wasn't he arrested and taken into custody if they think he was responsible for the murders and had links to these terrible bombers? Was he shot because he wouldn't sign? Who knows ...

  The simplest explanation though is that the explanation we have been given isn't accurate.
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  minimus

  a lot of supposition means nuthin.
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  sammielee24

  If they had proof that he was guilty they wouldn't have gone to his apartment to question him. They would have simply arrested him and taken him down to the station, booked him on a charge of any kind or multiple charges to make one stick and then he would have to fight his way out.

  Six armed men go to some guys apartment for a little 'questioning'...insist the guy was going to confess and sign a declaration and suddenly the guy is dead.

  Common sense should tell anyone that the cops don't question you if they already have evidence to tie you to murder - they arrest you based on evidence. If they were going to the guys house NOT to take him in - they were going to try and force a confession on him and then take him in. I doubt he confessed to anything and that caused a lot of upset. We haven't heard any medical report to tell us if there were other injuries to the body of this guy - if it is covered up we will never hear - anyone that honestly thinks that half a dozen armed guys actually show up to just chat softly with you about a murder they want you to confess to is pretty naive.

  Geez - Reese Witherspoon got cuffed and mugged for mouthing off - she was taken down to the station - and you seriously believe that if this guy was really guilty - really a threat - he wouldn't have already been cuffed and mugged? sammieswife
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  minimus

  You guys are off on this point that cops don't question you if they already have evidence to tie you to murder. That is laughable and ignorant.
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  Simon

  That wasn't what I'm arguing ... of course if you have evidence you question the suspect. But the questioning itself isn't evidence of anything and any confession that results from questioning needs strong procedures and controls to be trustworthy and solid.
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  designs

  The movie L.A.Confidential
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  minimus

  The questioning itself isn't evidence of anything...obviously.

  what strong procedures and controls do you want to see, exactly?
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  new hope and happiness

  my defence Minimus, might be Alzimers or other justifiable actions for my behaviour. Your assertion that i would have no justifiable defence seems based on the assuption of guilt before hearing the evidence.