Since Great Crowd has no mediator (page 5)

designs

By the logic of Christians about the need for a mediator then the JWs are actually closer to Judaism, an interesting paradox since the Christians claim to be the offshoot of Judaism.

humbled

You raise a good point, designs.

We who have been indoctrinated end up debating a matters that should be stripped down WAY further than we do.

Actually, it seems that the word "mediator" doesn't show up in the NT until long after Jesus was killed. And now we know that word carries a sort of legal/technical sense in discussions.

The gospel of Mary conveys a more ordinary sense of Jesus as a conductor to God. He showed the Way.

Talking to others who didn't know the way he said "no one comes to the Father except through me". Does that mean I must infer he is claiming "I am THE MEDIATOR".

Jesus may have come from "the Good" as the Mary Gospel says it. But the tricky doctrines and theologies we argue about may never ever have been in Jesus' heart, mind or teachings.

designs

humbled- That is interesting isn't it, good points.

The argument of needing a mediator then gells with Paul's ideas because a Jew would not see a Messiah as a mediator. First Paul has to introduce another non-Jewish concept Original Sin to get to the second point of a mediator. Two strikes against Paul by the Torah, yep he was an apostate.

leaving_quietly

So, they would like more recent information? Ok:

w09 4/15 p. 27 par. 14,15:

Like Moses, Jesus was a mediator. A mediator acts as a bridge between two parties. Moses mediated the Law covenant between Jehovah and the Israelites. If the sons of Jacob obeyed the laws of God, they would remain God’s special property, his congregation. (Ex. 19:3-8) That covenant stayed in force from 1513 B.C.E. until the first century C.E.

15 In 33 C.E., Jehovah initiated a better covenant with a new Israel, “the Israel of God,” which became a worldwide congregation made up of anointed Christians. (Gal. 6:16) While the covenant mediated by Moses included laws written by God on stone, the covenant mediated by Jesus is superior. Its laws are inscribed by God on human hearts. (Read 1 Timothy 2:5; Hebrews 8:10.) Thus, “the Israel of God” is now God’s special property, ‘a nation producing the fruits’ of the Messianic Kingdom. (Matt. 21:43) Members of that spiritual nation are the participants in that new covenant. Still, they are not the only ones to benefit from it. Untold multitudes, even many who at present are asleep in death, will receive everlasting blessings because of that superlative covenant.

w08 12/15 pp 13-14 par. 11-14:
11 Read 1 Timothy 2:5, 6. Jesus is the “one mediator between God and men.” He is “the mediator of a new covenant.” (Heb. 9:15; 12:24) However, Moses is also spoken of as a mediator—the mediator of the Law covenant. (Gal. 3:19) How, then, is Jesus’ role as Mediator unique?
12 The original-language word translated “mediator” is a legal term. It refers to Jesus as a legal Mediator (or, in a sense, an attorney) of the new covenant that made possible the birth of a new nation, “the Israel of God.” (Gal. 6:16) This nation is composed of spirit-anointed Christians, who form a heavenly “royal priesthood.” (1 Pet. 2:9; Ex. 19:6) The Law covenant, with Moses as mediator, was not able to produce a nation like that.
13 What does Jesus’ role as Mediator involve? Well, Jehovah applies the value of Jesus’ blood to those being brought into the new covenant. In this way, Jehovah legally credits them with righteousness. (Rom. 3:24; Heb. 9:15) God can then take them into the new covenant with the prospect of their becoming heavenly king-priests! As their Mediator, Jesus assists them in maintaining a clean standing before God.—Heb. 2:16.
14 What about those who are not in the new covenant, those who hope to live forever on earth, not in heaven? While not participants in the new covenant, these are beneficiaries of it. They receive forgiveness of their sins and are declared righteous as God’s friends. (Jas. 2:23; 1 John 2:1, 2) Whether we have a heavenly hope or an earthly hope, each one of us has good reason to appreciate Jesus’ role as the Mediator of the new covenant.

Comatose

I just don't get the classes. Jesus didn't teach two groups. It's so crazy to go against 1 Timothy 2:5

sosoconfused

It's things like this that make one ask themself "Why would god make this so hard to understand..." but its only hard to understand when you don't actually go to the bible and read it.

For the most part it is straightforward and easy to understand when you just read the gospels... then you pick up a watchtower and its a giant clusterf*#k of information that is pulled together from 6 different books of the new and old testament - splice together with a few "Evidently's" and "Therefore's"

DATA-DOG

" then you pick up a watchtower and its a giant clusterf*#k of information that is pulled together from 6 different books of the new and old testament - splice together with a few "Evidently's" and "Therefore's" "

LOL!!!! aka, the " pure language of truth."

AndDontCallMeShirley

designs: the JWs are actually closer to Judaism, an interesting paradox since the Christians claim to be the offshoot of Judaism.

Paradoxes are the grease on the theocratic wheels in JW Land.

Conundrums are the fuel.

"New Light" is the annoying backseat driver.

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Incidentally, Christians don't really need to "claim" to be an offshoot of Judaism- it's sort of a no-brainer which needs no verbal claim of ownership.

JeffT

The point of the discussion is not whether or not you need a mediator. What's important is the fact that most Witnesses think they need a mediatior - and that they have one. This is contradicted by official Watchtower doctrine.

Since Great Crowd has no mediator

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